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wilbeer

Mountain climber

honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys

Nov 10, 2013 - 06:56am PT

Likewise Tradman.

Caveman

climber

Cumberland Plateau

Nov 10, 2013 - 10:27am PT

"That being said I am Damn Yankee and don't have much use fer them secessionists;)"

http://www.ditext.com/dilorenzo/yankee.html

The link above says y'all started it!

couchmaster

climber

pdx

Nov 10, 2013 - 10:58am PT

You all know that Burch is sittin' back laughing at you guys all screeching at each other! LOL

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:10am PT

Is the anti-South, anti-Confederate flag bigotry shown in this thread really that different from the racism of past generations?

You have got to be fuking kidding me? You really are THAT stupid, aren't you? Because the flag you CHOOSE to put on the back of your truck is really just like the color of skin you CHOOSE to be born with... and enslaved because of.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:15am PT

Viva la Raza!

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:22am PT

sketch rivals skipt as the dumbest mother fuker ever to walk the planet.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 10, 2013 - 11:30am PT

He has waged cruel War against human Nature itself, violating its most sacred Rights of Life and Liberty in the Persons of a distant People who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into Slavery in another Hemisphere, or to incur miserable Death, in their Transportation thither. This piratical Warfare, the opprobrium of infidel Powers, is the Warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain.

He has prostituted his Negative for Suppressing every legislative Attempt to prohibit or to restrain an execrable Commerce, determined to keep open a Market where Men should be bought and sold, and that this assemblage of Horrors might want no Fact of distinguished Die.

He is now exciting those very People to rise in Arms among us, and to purchase their Liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the People upon whom he also obtruded them: thus paying off, former Crimes committed against the Liberties of one People, with Crimes which he urges them to commit against the Lives of another.

Jefferson included this paragraph in the draft of the Declaration of Independence. It made it through committee and was included in the draft presented for vote.

The entire paragraph was removed at the insistence of Southern delegates who saw it as setting a dangerous legal precedent for freeing the slaves.

manemachen

Sport climber

Pinedale, Wyoming

Nov 10, 2013 - 12:33pm PT

Sketch! You're right- I guess I am as f*#ked up as a few other posters in getting my facts right. It isn't South Carolina's flag, it is Mississippi's
I think about 10 years ago there was some hoopla about questioning integrating the confederate/rebel design into the state flag. From Wyoming- the south looks pretty much the same-I remembered it wrong. At that time, I ran across a seated liberty dime from 1863, so I looked up the events of that year and came across the death toll in the battles fought then. It blew my mind- the numbers (Vietnam-50K, Korea-50K Gettysburg-53K in 3 days!!) so I concluded then that the north won the war- TAKE IT DOWN. Sketch- glad you didn't nail me on 28K and 23K not adding up to 53K-I did round the numbers down.
Thanks for the correction- there is already too much BS in the world. I don't need to add to it.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Nov 10, 2013 - 12:41pm PT

Randisi challenged

Please cite the section where it commits the north to abolition.

Some 4 million slaves were freed in the Confederate states alone by the time the war was over. Do you honestly think that making a moral argument for full commitment to defeating the Confederacy and then allowing slavery to continue in the northern states was an option?

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Nov 10, 2013 - 01:05pm PT

So for some of you screeching LaRaza, you just gave a thumbs up to modern slavery..

You are as ignorant as they come. You know NOTHING of La Raza.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Nov 10, 2013 - 01:45pm PT

You don't know sh#t. Viva la Raza!

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Nov 10, 2013 - 04:33pm PT

Ron declared

Out of ALL the Slaves distributed around the world in colonial times,, the USA got ONLY 4.4% of all slave traffic..

Based on what time period and what are you sourcing here? Slavery has existed since well before biblical times. Slavery still exists. So 4.4% of all slave ownership of all time was in the US? In the 17th to 19th centuries? Of Africans only? What the hell is that number?

Let's assume that the number is something approaching a real number just for argument. In 1860 the US population was 31.4 million but 3.9 million were slaves. That leaves 27.5 million "free" people. The global population is estimated to be 1.27 billion people in 1860 so the US, minus the slaves, represented 2.17% of global population. So basically you're saying that the US was twice as active in slave ownership as the global mean.

Now of course all this number crunching is specious because all this "Africans sold slaves" and "the US was only 4.4% of global slave trade" adds up to a bunch of slavery apologist insanity because you guys don't dare actually admit to the United States having done some Bad Things That Deserve Criticism unless it's something horrific like try to make sure that its citizens can get affordable healthcare.

tl;dr stop trying to excuse American slavery.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Nov 10, 2013 - 04:52pm PT

Anybody mention "white slavery"?

It is redundant, since the word slave comes from the Slavs, eastern european caucasian people who were captured by moslem raiders from the Ottoman Empire.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 10, 2013 - 05:14pm PT

The Moslem slave trade depopulated the Mediterranean coasts of Spain France and Italy for more than 400 years with slave raiding parties extending all the way to Iceland and Norway.

Somewhere between one and two million Europeans ended up as slaves. The Arabs had no use for field hands and females ended up as concubines or household help, males castrated (with about a 90% fatality rate)or condemned to the salt mines.

It didn't stop until the Marines went to Tripoli.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 10, 2013 - 05:43pm PT

When was it ever "up"?

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 10, 2013 - 05:49pm PT

As long as it wasn't made in someone's bathtub.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Nov 10, 2013 - 07:58pm PT

Mexico started importing tallow and lard in the 1870's as soon as it was inexpensively available.

not much of a "healthy" diet.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Nov 10, 2013 - 08:57pm PT

So let me see if I get this right according to some of the big brains on here...

All those flying a confederate flags are probably pro-slavery and at the very least are practicing racists.

Ergo, said flag owners should be beaten/hospitalized.

Those sure are some deep thoughts.

I wonder if the Lakota in SD enjoy seeing a certain other flag everywhere around their home.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Nov 10, 2013 - 09:51pm PT

If you want to be stuck in the 1800s i guess thats up to you.

well the last dire doom and gloom predictions said the arctic would b nothing but sand sun and beaches this year.. THIS YEAR.

Now they have rolled it forward to 2040.. Yet more out of their hineys guesstimates from models they FULLY ADMIT dont work..

One need only visit the climate change thread to see, indeed, Ron Anderson is playing catch-up from 200 years of science.