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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I don't see myself as mentally unstable...So what if i own a crotchless clown suit and an arsenal of vintage WWll Schmeisers and Lugers...?
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Def should be a waiting period to buy snakes--could cut down on snake homicides--won't know until we try.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Seems from that graph that the best course of action would be to ban handguns entirely.
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abrams
Sport climber
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You anti gun nuts are barking mad! Woof woof!
That graph just shows that everyone needs to be mandated to carry a pistol to protect themselves.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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No, the graph shows handgun deaths decreased SUBSTANTIALLY when waiting periods and other gun regulations were enacted at the federal level. Once again, your bullshit fantasy opinions vs. reality.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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No, the graph shows handgun deaths decreased SUBSTANTIALLY when waiting periods and other gun regulations were enacted at the federal level. Once again, your bullshit fantasy opinions vs. reality.
You're no statistician! What those sorts of statistics show is (at BEST) a correlation rather than a causal relation.
For years there was a close correlation between the number of Methodist pastors in some state (I'd have to look it up) and the number of divorces in that state. Perfectly up and down on the graphs... "obviously" related. Causal connection? Almost certainly not. And when viewed in a broader time slice, the "pattern" reduced to insignificance.
A really big problem IS time slices! You can pick any particular time slice and show convergence. But in another (or larger) time slice, the pattern disappears. "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
You really should stop accusing people of "bullshit fantasies" just because they don't agree with your narrow interpretation of a limited set of data.
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abrams
Sport climber
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You can't just threaten my opinions without consequences Dr Cristco.
I demand you be banned for your serial bad behavior.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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"Dr. Crisco" showed up about two months ago and immediately started filling the (almost exclusively) political threads with his vile and abusive vitriol. Whoever "he" is, he's here riding a particular hobby horse and apparently with nothing but time on his hands (almost 600 posts in almost exactly two months).
I have no reason from his posts to think "he" is even a climber.
So, Crisco, what's your real name? What have you climbed? Are you even a climber?
I care about "political" threads on a climbers' forum BECAUSE I care about how climbers (not the mainstream people) think about such things. But it's not a "climbing" thread if its most vociferous (and abusive) poster is really a poseur.
So, who are you? Care to get real?
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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I never claimed a causal relationship you fuking idiot.
I said the handgun deaths decreased SUBSTANTIALLY when waiting periods and other gun regulations were enacted at the federal level. That is a statement of correlation and nothing more.
The undeniable fact is that handgun deaths decreased during the period in which a federal waiting period was in place and stopped decreasing when the interim waiting period expired. FACT FACT FACT FACT FACT you fuking idiot.
Until you provide an alternative hypothesis to explain the DRAMATIC decrease in handgun deaths during that period, and a way to test it, only a fuking idiot would conclude waiting periods and other gun legislation are ineffective.
I have a very simple hypothesis, based on a very clear correlation of existing data, that is very easily testable. You have your bullshit fantasy opinions. Stop trying to play smart with your high school level understanding of statistics.
Plenty of people here know exactly who I am. If you can't figure it out you are dumber than you appear to be... "madbolter1"... whoever the fuk you are.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Same chart shows the federal ban on assault rifles did absolutely nothing to lower the rifle deaths.
A ban on handguns would likely have the same ( zero ) effect.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Agreed on your first point Chaz, but then rifles aren't the weapon of choice for most crimes, so a ban on a small portion of rifles is not really expected to have much effect.
A ban on handguns would likely have the same ( zero ) effect.
Likely? How do you come up with that, seriously? Did you just pull it out of your ass because you want to believe that or do you have some other insightful reason for believing it would "likely" have no effect?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Plenty of people here know exactly who I am.
IF that's true, then you undoubtedly have "plenty of people" warning you to dial it back a LOT of notches or get banned. And "plenty of people" is a complete punt. You hide behind your handle while spewing the biggest load of garbage I've seen on any thread. Apparently you've never read Chris's thread about the future of this forum. You are NOT helping. Perhaps you are intentionally hurting.
So, publicly state your name, as I will: Richard Jensen (although most here already know that, unlike in your case).
Quit hiding behind a handle and put a public and real name behind your cowardly abuse.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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you undoubtedly have "plenty of people" warning you to dial it back a LOT of notches or get banned.
Nope.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Ron, where is your source of information? Seriously, I'm curious. It could very well be that CCW permits were the cause... I don't know.
The only information I can find is that the number of states that "shall issue" CCW's increased between 1994-1996, which I assume led to an increase in CCW's.
But the states that "shall issue" stayed essentially the same between 1996-2002. I acknowledge the decrease in handgun crimes between 1996 and 1999 could be a residual effect of CCW permitting... but then one would expect a similar decrease in 2002 when the number of "shall issue" states increased again. Unfortunately there was not an decrease, but rather an increase in handgun murders in 2002.
Now, if you can provide data on the actual number of CCWs nationwide...
Bharata... which do you think is easier for the average person to do (both physically and mentally): pull a trigger a few times from 10 feet away or repeatedly ram a knife through someone's chest?
Also, compare the number of handgun deaths to knife deaths in the figure above... idiot.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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If you told Dr Christ that the sun rises in the east, he'd say "where is your source of information?"
Open your eyes and see it for yourself. There's your source. Get out of the university for a while and go live among the general public. You'll soon see.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Wow, you can just open your eyes and observe how many people are killed each day by handguns nationwide? And you don't think claims like that earn you the title of idiot? Idiot.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Those people are all killed for reasons as unique to each as their own fingerprint. No two are alike.
You, as a product of the universities, can only see people as members of groups - not as the unique individuals we all are. Hence your blind reliance on *studies*.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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By a gun.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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You, as a product of the universities, can only see people as groups - not as the individuals we all are.
Wrong again. As a product of the universities I can see the importance of objective data in determining policies that affect over 300 million people without evaluating each person individually. I wish it were simpler... I wish there were far fewer people and each could be "seen" as the individuals they are... but I live in the real world, not a bullshit land of fantasies.
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