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crankster
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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I hope you're right, Peter. I'd just like someone to present a scenario where he's all right. Other than the one alternative I suggested; that he's missing because he wants to be. I don't see any evidence he would do that.
If I had the slightest clue what area he went to I'd head to Mammoth tonight and look for him. Just because I'm being honest doesn't mean I'm not touched by this story.
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Please; can't we keep this on topic and let go of the slander?
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Seamstress
Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
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We have found people missing for a couple of weeks. Hope is always in order until evidence to the contrary is found.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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In a perfect world there would be enough personel to do a tight grid-search of everything in a 25 mile radius, but that is too costly and dangerous. The west is still wild, and Caveat emptor to anybody entering these mountains.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Needledick, I didn't see your original post but you sound reasonable to me. All the people posting "good vibes" bs are saps. Get real, folks. Matt's been missing over 20 days and dimwits like Cragman and Werner, et al, are criticizing you for telling it like it is?
Throw out all the spiritual universe crap you want; it ain't gonna find him any sooner. There's only 2 outcomes at this point likely: he fell on a climb and is dead or is alive and missing because he wants to be. He's not going to be found with a broken ankle by a stream eating berries.
Wow crankster, u r kind of a cynical as#@&%e eh?
Posting negative BS to a hopeful thread & then trying to take it back & saying ur touched, then picking on Tami, then Canada??
Pretty sure nobody will be looking for u when u go missing. I'd recommend that you & needledick start using the buddy system.
Best of luck to all touched by this.
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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There is always a chance. Maybe he met some beautiful European and he joined her on an out of the blue trip. Stranger things have happened. I am hoping he is alive and well because the alternative sucks. There is always a chance and it's worth fighting for.
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Tami,
Your post has the most brilliant spelling. (FuhQ) Yes, I am sitting here and admiring your sharp wit again.
Hugs,
AFS
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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20 days out....ugh.
If he took a trip with a blond...you won't find him in the mountains.
When I deal with people involving tragedy....and that is a frequent part of the job.....what I find that they really appreciate is HONESTY. They really hate the deception of smiley faces and absurd positive scenarios.
One always hopes for the best, but should also be realistic and not put other lives at risk or not allow family/friends to prepare.
Pretty sure nobody will be looking for u when u go missing. I'd recommend that you & needledick start using the buddy system.
Wow, an actual threat on someone's life. That's sure positive energy. I'm sure it will be reflected in positive energy spent on your search, as well.
I remember the half-year search for the guy up Taboose. They knew he was dead, but wanted closure. They found him, and now the friends post speculation, because they don't have closure.
What can we learn? The only good thing about such things. We need to learn.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Hey Ken, I didn't mean for my post to come off as a threat on someone's life. That is absolutely ridiculous. You are definitely taking it way out of context. My apologies if anyone interpreted it this way. The post I quoted pissed me off because threads like these are meant to provide hope & positive vibes in a potentially tragic situation, not negate it. I thought that crankster & needledick were being as#@&%es towards the missing hiker & anyone who is close to him- so I stated it. Probably could have been more eloquent but too late now. The buddy system comment was my way of saying they are peas in a pod. Anyways, I really hope that Mathew is ok, wherever he is. Happy trails to this thread.
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Guernica
climber
right there, right then
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Good lord Ken, get a grip. Ryan's post was a good-natured jab at team crankdick's poor style. They are indeed two peas in a pod, and would probably be good roommates as well.
Obviously in your line of work, as an MD, people appreciate honesty. This isn't a hospital, it's a thread on an internet forum- a place for well-wishes and helpful feedback from those with ideas or possible intel.
You always seem to have a bad forum-side manner, doc.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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crank whined Ugh. People are being rudely criticized for daring to suggest that it's unlikely Matt is alive at this point, when all reason suggest this is the unfortunate truth.
No, crank. What you are your self-described "insensitive" friend needledick are failing to realize is that how you say something in a sensitive situation is probably twice as important as what you say. It's been 20 days. Perhaps you need things spelled out in black and white but everybody here knows what that means and are lending what moral support they can to the family/friends/searchers by saying that they "hope for a good outcome." That does not mean that outcome is likely.
There is a huge difference between saying "man, it's been 20 days. I hate to say it but things are looking pretty grim here" and "put a fork in this guy already stop being morons hoping for the best, you saps."
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Anastasia
climber
Home
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Doctors have scientific minds and with the use of reasoning facts and statistics is how they come up with their conclusions. Bill is like that... It's a very cut and dry. It's actually not meant as rude, just based on data without emotional context.
The rest of us "including me" work with strong emotions and reasoning last. I can appreciate reasoning, but it's not what comes easy for me. I usually am investing into my desired outcome, I am not staring at the data and purely working from there.
That is why doctors sometimes appear insensitive and... Why we can appear naive. Why it's also so much fun proving doctors wrong. Why Captain Kirk always befuddled Spock. The human element does change the whole equation.
The point is... I WANT him to be alright and there is a chance!!!! That chance is everything. Now back to praying...
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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for perspective i offer
a recent tale and two,
unfolding nearby,
a friends 6 year old boy drowned in 5' of water at the local resevoir;
another friend's 7 month old took the brunt of daddy's stumble,
with a fractured skull, she faces a heady surgery, not likely to ever be the same.
this boy in our scopes, 39 years old,
living out one mountain drama after another,
comes up missing, maybe perished,
and it is all ok.
it has to be
the 6 year old's journey.
the 7 month old's journey.
the 39 year old's journey.
and each of our's journey.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Any luck getting a helicopter up again?
What about those satellite images that they got for looking for Ben and Gil, any chance we can get something like that for Matt?
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Wolfie
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes
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"One of our Sar guys did talk to him on the bus and they discussed Ritter/banner. That's why we went out there.Bus to reds/ agnew". I received this information from a friend that works for SAR...not sure if it is correct (via Facebook private message), but a SAR group did go up to Ritter area b/c of this information. I was out of town..I wanted to share in hopes that it helps.
Does anyone know if he planned to stay several days "took a large pack". When I do day peak bags, I go fast and light. Minaret traverse?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Threw this together while at work.
Can we use this and update it to keep current?
Compressed:
Matthew Greene
Last Contact:
July 16th (Mammoth Lakes) (Texted a friend around 9pm)
Went Missing on the 17th.
Gear:
Large Backpack (may have stashed somewhere)
Small summit pack
Technical tools
Details:
Almost always signs logs at trail heads
Possible he did a day hike, brought snow gear (No overnight gear)
Made a post on summitpost about water intoxication at 2:45 on the 16th
No car, may have hitchhiked, or taken transit, or hiked.
Locations checked:
Lower areas of Ritter (Nothing)
Registers of Banner and Ritter (No Signature)
Matt was at Clyde on the 11th.
Possible locations:
Mt Lyell from Tuolumne
Mt Banner/Ritter from Mammoth (pages of guidebook torn out)
Minaret Traverse
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Lori Fairchild
Social climber
Lehighton
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I am not familiar with the area so what is the likelihood of this gentleman's story:
I may have seen him in Minden Nevada yesterday Tues Aug 6th? While putting gas in my car this guy that looked to be homeless was walking by with a backpack. I didn't pay much attention to him until I read the story in the Record Courier (our local paper). He was walking north about 10:45 and we are about 120 miles north of Mammoth. I am a retired Police Sergeant and currently volunteer with the Douglas Co. Search & Rescue. I have called and left a message for the Det. working the case.
Gary Marshall
This was posted on FINDMATTHEWGREENE on facebook. Could he have gotten this far? If so maybe he doesn't know he is missing yet! Have they searched NV areas???
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Lori Fairchild
Social climber
Lehighton
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Find Gary Marshall and ask him the address of the gas station.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Perhaps dissociative fugue?
Although there was a person who road the bus with him talking about peak bagging. Wasn't that the Devil's Postpile bus?
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Wolfie
Trad climber
Mammoth Lakes
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http://www.highsierratopix.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9790&start=24
Please check out this forum. There is statement from manoftoomanysports:
"For what it's worth, ~10 days ago we did TM over Donahue to Island, then xc to Lake Catherine then xc to the San Joaquin and Bench Canyon. We didn't see your friend or evidence of him. Really, a total lack of footprints after Lake Catherine. The only odd thing was a tent about 2/3 up North Glacier Pass, but I think you said he had no overnight gear."
Also, earlier in the thread someone stated if a one-person Big Agnes tent is seen in the area to please contact MLPD. Wondering if there is a connection....I told people at SAR to check these areas stated above days ago...
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Duly noted, my advice is now up my ass.
I'm just recommending a little compassion.
Is that so hard?
Edit; this was in response to a now deleted thread.
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