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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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Sewer capacity the art center does not provide showers and cooking and laundry facilities to guests of party. The lodge would be 22 plus showering, laundry, and cooking. That is dofferent from office space or art studios.
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maldaly
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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I don't know how much they want for the Condarosa but that would be an awesome spot.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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It is hard to believe that they would go through all that time, hassle and money to update a sewage system that would be overwhelmed by your average bean fest.
Janet Robinson, paging Janet Robinson, Awaiting transparency.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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exactly the sewer costs is 5 years old and it has had problems from the get go. I am not a sewer specialist but information available from Boulder County sewer commitee has all the numbers. Basically the if the sewer exceeds 80% capacity the state of Colorado mandates an upgrade for more sewer space, which will cost over 100,000 grand and the cost of the upgrade will the responsibilty of the residents. The sewer cost over 16,000 per household ...plus 200.00 every quarter for operating expense.
Ramsey enviroment maintains the sewer and would more than likely get the job for the mandatory upgrade, of course Ramsey thinks the sewer has plenty of room. Also, say the hostek goes in and the sewer is operating at close to capacity and then a homeowner wants to remodel or add on more bathrooms....then the sewer would have to be upgraded because the hostel is using the remainder ..then the resident has to wait for the construction of upgrade to be done before doing any remodel to their homes and convince their neighbors to help pay for the 100,00 plus upgrade to add another 70 gallons of water for a residential bathroom....
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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So do the residents of ES restrict the number of friends that visit or stay over for a couple nights because they are afraid the sewer will assplode?
I think not. Seems like a weak argument to pursue.
Oh noes if 20 more people use the chitter we're all gonna die.
To reiterate, if you can't afford to live there, move out to Longmont.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Private property and the six-shooter lie at the very foundation of western culture. Suggesting we be like Europe here is super naïve - it can only sit as an example of the differences.
How true.
German Village Produces 321% More Energy Than It Needs
August 22, 2011 Filed under Environment, Europe, News Posted by Realnews24
It’s no surprise that the country that has kicked butt at the Solar Decathlon competition (to produce energy positive solar houses) year after year is the home to such a productive energy-efficient village. The village’s green initiative first started in 1997 when the village council decided that it should build new industries, keep initiatives local, bring in new revenue, and create no debt. Over the past 14 years, the community has equipped nine new community buildings with solar panels, built four biogas digesters (with a fifth in construction now) and installed seven windmills with two more on the way. In the village itself, 190 private households have solar panels while the district also benefits from three small hydro power plants, ecological flood control, and a natural waste water system.
All of these green systems means that despite only having a population of 2,600, Wildpoldsried produces 321 percent more energy than it needs – and it’s generating 4.0 million Euro (US $5.7 million) in annual revenue by selling it back to the national grid. It is no surprise to learn that small businesses have developed in the village specifically to provide services to the renewable energy installations.
What if the (still hypothetical) Climber's Lodge provided it's own ample parking, Recycled it's own waste and gray water, produced more energy than it consumed and became a model of sustainable building practices?
What if they had a little organic coffee house and/or a green Laundromat available to the locals?
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Seems like the answer is to make the AAC pay for upgrading the sewer. I bet they would. You'd want to avoid too much sewage getting into the river, otherwise the Boulder people will stop buying the famous bottled water.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Just tell them it has been "organically upgraded".
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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The sewage system has already been recently upgraded (which just happened to nearly double peoples property values) allowing "locals" to build long anticipated additions and upgrades. in ES
Which in turn has fueled a building boom as property owners cash into instant equity. What are we seeing? An explosion of visually atrocious and out of character wasteful McMansions. What "intrinsic" value do these temples of selfishness bring to Eldorado Springs, it's residents or the Eldo experience?
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Rick A
climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Peter- Yeah, it seems that the main topic around here lately has been sewage.
Pitbull-Refreshing to hear you arguing facts rather than name calling and making silly threats on behalf of your community (including vandalism and seeming to imply that rocks will be dropped on climbers):
the attitude of climbers towards others is so despicable and arrogant. If the dirtbag hostel gets built remember climbing parasites your cars will be towed if even an inch on local property. Your gear will get trashed or ruined if left outside. You will be greeted with nothing but hostility from locals and the cops will be called everytime one of your entitled members does anything that could be in violation of any law.
You will not have fun at night here and we will make sure none of you can access even a pebble through private property. Good luck have fun way to support community and local business....why not the west end of Pearl Street where you can go have a drink,a bite to eat, or some music. Please spread the word the AAC is not welcome in ELDO WE ARE NOT THE PARK WE ARE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ON THE WAY TO THE PARK!!!!
watch out above for falling rocks...
Phil apologized, how about you?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Yeah Rick A that one was a real highlight of reasoned argument and decorous demeanor.
By the way I'd bet dollars to donuts that the bigger long term issue facing ES is the aging power grid not the upgraded poop tube.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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Sorry for what why don't you look back to very first posts and see who was being rude???? Philo sure knows a lot about the sewer let me guess AAC board member,staff, or really loves the AAC.
Do you really think just 20 people will be there a day? what about all the fundraising events, tourists looking for the visitors center etc..
Mcmansions where is that? one house maybe the average house in Eldo is less 1500 sq feet. No one would be complaining if it was a small bed and breakfast where reisdents friends and family would be able to stay it would be another story. The AAC is a private club with a "demographic of white married males college educated making for than 100 g's a year" quote Penn Burris....please what benefit is that to a community? ZERO..should we all just bow down and roll over for the Alpine Club.
Not only that, Penn Burris has been personally rude to Christian Griffith and I guarantee he will be evicted from his spot. A local climber with a local climbing clothing company kicked out by the prestigious AAC. What about the recording studio that has already been in business for years less than 20 yrds from the Post Office Building...who is going to want to record while a bunch a peeps are outside hootin and hollerin
The Condarosa would be much more room and people would not have to play by so many rules and the visitors should be able to let loose and have fun....that is why a bigger place with more space and friendly neighbors would be better.
The residents of Eldo will not be nice to the guests and will probably look for any reason to turn in guests or call the cops and county to complain about everything.....
the whole sewage report info posted by others neat I am sure you are a white male married making over 100gs as an engineer I never claimed to be an expert my numbers were not exact
Tell the AAC to buy the Condarosa or deal with townies who will make sure every guest has a most unpleasant stay...I am sorry for hitting below the belt..I have never had a grudge against climbers I am not some uptight church going mini van driving Mom.. I was in my young twenties once I sure as hell would not want to pay to stay in a place with a school bus stop and residential neighbors surrounding me...BORING
Once again, Climbers are not the problem. The location and scope of the project are not in sync..where is the potential for growth or more rooms if the "Lodge" becomes a big hit? There is no more room?
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
Jul 5, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
Mcmansions where is that? one house maybe the average house in Eldo is less 1500 sq feet. No one would be complaining if it was a small bed and breakfast where reisdents friends and family would be able to stay it would be another story.
Um the one right next to the post office and the dozens littering the hills.
The average house is closer to 3000 sqft.
The averages 1500 SQF house goes for 400K, it's not the size that counts but the costs.
Why would a B&B housing 20 people be better than a low cost hostel place to crash?
Are you self aware enough to realize how ridiculous you sound like a nimby?
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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I never said a b&b for 20, I said a small b&b for about 6 to 8 why are you so eager for the hostel are you an AAC board member? what houses on the hill? the average size home is 1500... I said there was maybe 1 house and the house next to the post office is also a business/recording studio not just a mcmansion. the official town of eldo is the post office to the state park nothing up by the ashram they are Boulder...
Why after all this tension and so called nimbyism why do want to stay here at night again if we suck so bad...because once again you CAN climb here everday no one is taking your hard mounting rocks away. Where do you live hot stuff onMapleton Hill Highlands Ranch or Malibu?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Pittbull you are being an ass.
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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No I'm not a acc member but I have built enough mini McMansions in the ''90s and have financed enough 1 million dollar homes in Eldo since then to know you are talking out of your ass that Eldo is some small town working man blues you are spraying that cannot afford a new sewer. Hell if the hippies in Nederland can work out a new sewer plan I would expect the yuppies in ES can pull it off.
If you bought in before then like one of my friends, I apologize that the taxes and costs have driven up prices beyond your means. Maybe it's time to rent out your place for a profit and move on if you can't handle the crowds.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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you guys are so good at prevoking the jackass in everyone really I don't need someone from Ned to lecture me on out of towners really? hey Philo can you ask the AAC for the their completed traffic study because people have requested it and they are not communicating. Can you tell me about the AAC transparency they have had the building under contract since december 2012 and they just told residents about May 7th... ALSO PHIL POWERS SAID INITIALLY THEY WOULD NOT MOVE FOWARD IF THE ELDO COMMUNITY WAS AGAINST IT..THAT IS WHY OVER 100 PEOPLE OUT OF 218 PEOPLE( AT LEAST 20 OF THE RESIDENTS BEING CHILDREN UNDER 16) signed a petition stating we were not in support of the AAC climbing lodge?
Now look a battle between climbers and residents has been waged.. how are 218 residents going to compete with an organization with over 12,000 members and board of directors who are celebrated in the world of FINANCE, DOT-COMERS, ENVIROMENT/GREEN BUILDING, AP REPORTERS REALLY WE DONT STAND A CHANCE BECAUSE IT IS ALL BEING DONE WITH A INTERNATIONALLY RECOGNIZED CARBON FOOTPRINT REDUCING PRESTIGIOUS CLUB...it is the sanctimonious attitude of the AAC that is really upsetting. WE steamroll communities in the name of climbers and the outdoors
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Actually I'm from Detroit but I like to bust balls internationally.
Some people call it a gift.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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I am a wild and woolly redneck from Appalachia I dont like me no strangers
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Clearly
Still waiting on "Transparency" from the disgruntled "locals".
Who's investment panties are in a knot because they were not first in liner?
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