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EdwardT

Trad climber

Retired

Feb 23, 2015 - 04:50pm PT

Wow!

There's a lot of hostility here.

To think it resulted from a simple "Hooray Obamacare".

But since you folks are all het up, I did a little research.

Here's an informative piece:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2015/02/18/signup-slowdown-obamacare-exchanges-will-gain-only-3-million-enrollees-in-2015/

A couple points stuck out.

While Obama says "about 11.4 million Americans are signed up for private health coverage through Obamacare’s insurance exchanges", the number of previously uninsured is around 5.4 million... a far cry from the old "40 million Americans are uninsured" talking point.

Here's the detail that hit home.

In a 3,137-county study we published last year, I and two Manhattan Institute colleagues found that underlying premiums had increased by 49% in the average county for people shopping on Obamacare’s exchanges.

I don't recall how my 2014 premiums compared to 2013 premiums. But my 2015 ACA family premium increased 45 percent over the 2014 premium. To keep our existing doctors (like Obama promised), we would have had to pay another $1500/year. We passed.

I'm not opposed to Universal healthcare. Everyone should have access to care, regardless of pre-existing conditions and without facing bankruptcy.

But I think this system is messed up.

A lot of posters have criticized my views on this issue. My guess is most of you don't pay for your own insurance. It's easy to be self-righteous over an issue that doesn't directly impact you.

Who has paid for their own insurance until they were required to switch to an ACA policy?

Have you experienced significant rate hikes?

How's your coverage?

John M

climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 04:53pm PT

I agree that Obamacare is not perfect. Part of it is the health insurance companies involvement.

Reilly

Mountain climber

The Other Monrovia- CA

Feb 23, 2015 - 04:54pm PT

How's your coverage?

I can only say that my brother is quite happy with his Obamacare,
but he has a higher bureaucratic pain threshold than I do.

Stewart

Trad climber

Courtenay, B.C.

Feb 23, 2015 - 04:54pm PT

I repeat: The U.S. is the ONLY nation in the civilized world that DOESN'T have a taxpayer-funded health care system. If the Republicans had the integrity to actually care about the interests of the U.S. public and stop trying to steal every loose cent in circulation for their billionaire friends, then not one single citizen of your nation would be looking at six-figure medical bills for any reason.

There is NO middle ground here. You either have a sense of common decency or you don't. This rhetorical defence of greed makes me want to puke.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:00pm PT

I think Sketch gets paid to post here
There are a bunch of well funded right wing groups that want an insider in every public forum that discuss politics
He sure is able to bring up some fake graphs fast, or divert the attention away from any right wing hypocrisy, and

wait for it..
provide no climbing background or Real personal info

what say you sketch?

John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:10pm PT

I should mention here, Medicare is da bomb. Manage to live past 65, and medical care goes to another level.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:14pm PT

I want the government ,run by radical left wing sixties types to take complete control of my body.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:15pm PT

Who would deny Medicare and SS when they hit that age???? whatever that age is now
No one in their right mind

yet people vote for people that want to privatize it- Republicans
Or eliminate it altogether- Libertarians

Idiots ^ like above, he hates Medicare and SS with a passion
Wrong, just another hypocrite

John M

climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:16pm PT

I was genuinely interested in what your solution was Ward, but if all that you have is sarcasm, then you are no better then a troll.

Ward Trotter

Trad climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:20pm PT

Hey guys, who is going to be at this year' s Alinsky Awards?

dirtbag

climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:23pm PT

Yo mama. That's who.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:26pm PT

Ward, how about Medicare and SS, you in?

Stewart

Trad climber

Courtenay, B.C.

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:28pm PT

Hey Ward - Either you're not too bright or you don't give a rat's ass about human beings who aren't as financially secure as yourself. As I said, there's no middle ground here.

Take your pick. You're one or the other.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:45pm PT

'obamaclinics' popping up in the neighborhood, right...-

Ward's just another of Sketch's troll avatars. same tone, same unchecked factiods, same bs anecdotes.

Studly

Trad climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 05:55pm PT

I agree, Sketch and Crankster both.

Craig Fry

Trad climber

So Cal.

Feb 23, 2015 - 06:04pm PT

Crankster No

he is a real climber
and there are No Liberal groups that would pay people to post on public forums to intentionally promote some left wing agenda
Follow the money.

Ward is his own person, he has been around longer than Sketch

what would be funny is if Ward's income comes from the Gov.

10b4me

Social climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 06:06pm PT

Bullsh#t, Craig,
Crankster has never posted one climbing related thread.

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 23, 2015 - 06:08pm PT

Take a hike 10b, was climbing when you were in diapers. Still am...unfortunately, with the warm weather in Truckee. Would rather be skiing.
Don't see many trip reports with your name attached.

Not sure what this has to do with health care...

apogee

climber

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Feb 23, 2015 - 08:27pm PT

"My guess is most of you don't pay for your own insurance. It's easy to be self-righteous over an issue that doesn't directly impact you."

What a retarded thing to say. Of those who actually have health insurance, who the f*#k thinks 'they don't pay for it'?

I have health insurance. Private Plan. Have pretty much always had a private plan, 'cuz I've usually been self-employed. I know goddam well how much it costs, and that I was refused coverage at one point prior to the ACA for a ridiculously minor 'pre-existing' condition.

Your rates when up? Well lah-tee-f#kin'- dah. Welcome to healthcare USA, driven entirely by private, corporate interests. Want better rates?

PUBLIC OPTION.

Otherwise, kindly STFU.