The Borders Of Decency, Breasts, And A Little Fun. Ladies?

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Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 14, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
The unkept chest tufts of DMT have offended me. I'm out.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
thanks for posting that, happiegrrrlil

I have nieces who are interested in climbing and visit this website

I don't know, maybe its just me, but yes it is embarrassing to try to explain to them why naked females and vaginas outlined with tight clothes are even permitted

don't click on it?

doesn't work that way, when they see the word boob in a thread's title my niece's interest in climbing was replaced by curiosity and then anger when she clicks and sees the pictures

its got nothing to do with showing how appreciative men are of women's bodies by the way

there are all kinds of other places on the internet for that

I'm with the women on this one, always a good place to be!
Gal

Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
May 14, 2013 - 02:03pm PT
Nobody has mentioned when you DON'T click on the boobs thread and you get spammed anyway by the likes of OneWhoWalksOnRocks on a totally unrelated thread. I was spammed after trying to make a positive comment about the thread (granted, it may have just been a timing thing and not directed specifically at me). And then when I said I didn't appreciate it... a few posts down SAC posts the most disgusting photo implying I am on my period. Luckily SAC had enough sense to remove it, but I'm sure he knew his damage had been done. I know Jennie saw the awful photo. It felt abusive to me, viscous and hostile. All while I was trying to say something positive. So what say you about that?

... I don't believe in censorship.
... I'm not for banning people.
... I enjoy my male friendships very much, I'm not a "man-hater" (and I don't believe the women here are either)

To me, Daphne so eloquently describes what I believe, and I won't even try to explain it beyond that, I agree wholeheartedly 100% with the lovely Daphne. And I appreciate all my fellow women who are here on the Topo, please don't go away ~ and if you did go away ~ please come back ~ Lolli, crimpergirl ~ those of us that remain would love you to be here too!

And as I think about this ~ I also don't necessarily have a problem with dudes who love the boobs threads/it's just part of the difference between men & women and what the guys find interesting/i just think the guys who are super obsessed with it to a major extent are kind of pervy creepy/but for a bit there it seemed to be all contained in one place where I didn't have to click on the thread. You can't expect me to get all excited about it like you guys-i'm just not biologically wired that way. I would also appreciate not being spammed or told I'm on my period anytime I express an opinion. It makes things feel hostile.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 14, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
"...when they see the word boob in a thread's title"

Yeah, that's really true. I oftentimes find something I'd like to share with someone (or a group) who is unfamiliar with ST, and I am definitely disinclined to do so because that thread title is always on the front page.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 14, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
don't click on it?

doesn't work that way, when they see the word boob in a thread's title my niece's interest in climbing was replaced by curiosity and then anger when she clicks and sees the pictures

Well if the kids are on the internet, they will find much worse things than the taco has to offer.
The devices my kids have access to all have filters to prevent access to the less desirable stuff on the internets. Some pretty nifty stuff exists out there to control access to what kids can access. it is not perfect but pretty close.



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
one after another, the women of SuperTopo keep posting both their own objections and also the reasons for it

isn't that enough of a clue?

wasn't the deletion of the first boob thread a clue to not start another one?

guess not
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
May 14, 2013 - 02:58pm PT
A great post from Gal's semi lucid consciousness. ;o) (not ironic)
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 14, 2013 - 03:03pm PT
Dont click on it or I guess offer up some $$$ to Cmac to buy the rights to the forum and make your own rules.
Hey...personally I could care less about seeing boobs on ST. The reality is that what one person finds offensive, another might not. I come here to read the trip reports and sometimes click on the boob threads to see who has their panties in a knot ( pun intended) on any given day. It is quite entertaining sometimes lol

So what do we censor after boobs? Religious talk? Heck that is offensive to some. Slippery slope there Norton. The use of misspelled profanity is off the charts on ST. Ban that Shet and bewbs too. Also make sure your hem line on your shorts is greater than 4". I dont want to be seeing some famous big wallers fruit bowl.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 14, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
"First of all there is no 'we.' There is only the site owner...."

Yep.

The more I think about it, though, maybe an OT tab in this Forum isn't such a bad idea.
KP Ariza

climber
SCC
May 14, 2013 - 03:16pm PT
Beauty two ways, climbing AND boobs... what perfect combo. Had to re-post this one Can't Say, hope you don't mind. BTW, I think I recognize those beauties. The girl and the rocks that is.

Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
May 14, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
Lol yes you keep saying that.

DMT
Your man boobs are my one exception. Those things are exquisite.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 14, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
I dunno, DMT, I kinda like some of the OT stuff. Sure, such things can be had in many other sites, but it's more interesting to me to see/read/discuss them with others who share my outdoor interests. I'm starting to better understand the argument to separate such topics from material that is more directly relevant to ST's purpose.
Some Random Guy

climber
Under a Little Pink Umbrella
May 14, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
+1 gal and dickmcfartin's lasts posts
Norwegian

Trad climber
the tip of god's middle finger
May 14, 2013 - 03:41pm PT
boobs are rad.

[Click to View YouTube Video]

mad respect,
bordering on a vitrol obsession.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 14, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
from Lolli

"Reilly's statement is pure fantasy. We NEVER had lockerrooms together with the boys. What an utterly silly idea.

All the stupid excuses for the right to be a sexist.... It seems to me as many have been blunted by the sheer amount of sexist posts.. I wonder how that constant appraisal of female member's bodies might feel if one has lost a breast due to cancer, for instance?
Some posts are inexcusable, like to have the gall to comment upon a another member's body, for instance..Not my achievements, not who I am, but how I look like. Go to hell, is my answer. It's plain by a multitude of posts that achievements by women come second to their looks in the view of many men on the Taco.

As I see it, the management of the site doesn't have any problem with a sexist agenda from a very loud group. They allow a lot of harassment, lies and false judgements towards women, but they banned the woman who protested against women being seen as an objects. Not the men who treat women both in general and as fellow members as objects they have a right to comment upon. There has been sexually insinuating comments regarding underage daughters of several members, including my own daughter, and nothing happens to the members who makes them. They have by their way to manage the site shown that female members are considered as second rate members. It's hard to see any other reason but that the management of Supertopo agrees with, or have themselves, a sexist view upon women.

There's a difference in culture among northern Europe and America, and it's often grossly misunderstood. As is the theories that I wouldn't mind the boobs thread, because we see bare breasts on the beaches etc. Which, by the way, isn't the truth. It's unfashionable since way back, but no big deal. If you were here 30 years ago, yes. Now? Ha!
We don't mind nudity or sex, but strongly dislike porn. There's a strong sense of porn being equal with criminality, trafficking and prostitution. It's dirty. Not because of the sex, but because it carries along so much other bad things. I mean, one can see sex on the regular television, but it's not porn, it's usually either in a film or in a documentary. Sex isn't seen as bad. There's an easily seen difference which image is mere nudity and which is exploitive of women. And what's posted on the Taco, is exploitive images, not just nude people.

It's strange how a thing like this reveals a lot about some people. I guess I known all along, but didn't really take notice. It's such an oldfashioned view to take, it's amazing how they haven't kept in touch with how things have changed. Sexists are like the racists of bygone days. They're fighting for their right to remain oppressive and chauvinist. Nowadays nobody questions a professional because of the skin colour. But sexists, they're still back in that phase, in a way of thinking of bygone days, when it comes to women.

Yes, I left because of a personal reason, the boob thread and the general attitude towards women on this site. I don't belong here. I feel no need to be subjected to an oldfashioned and loud group of losers who scream loudly if they may not flag their sexist attitude in any given thread. But I don't fight windmills, I got other things to do instead.

I do miss the decent people though, even if they're awfully quiet sometimes. See you in the autumn!
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 14, 2013 - 03:56pm PT
"What has stopped you from enjoying OT stuff on the taco?"

Not a thing...I enjoy many/most of them, and I don't really object to most of them.

But I do think they distract from (what I think) is the core purpose of ST, and the reason why many 'quality' (whatever quantifies that) contributors stick around.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
May 14, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
^good post. IMO, boobs make the St more interesting than other climbing sites. I didn't see much that really pushed levels of decency, but that is different for everyone.
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
May 14, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
Happie and Norton, appreciation for passing on Lolli's communication...

It's nice coming back this afternoon and beholding a more positive trend on this thread.

Supertopo ladies, sometimes companions in dispair, thankfully don't run in fright from growling terriers...
Tan Slacks

climber
Joshua Tree
May 14, 2013 - 05:34pm PT
In both previous "boob" threads I added my 2 cents

Everyone else was giving their glorious opinions/pictures about boobs this and boobs that, so when I first posted about how my daughter was teaching me about certain types objectification and how it effects her, I was harassed in private emails. I was called a prude, an as#@&%e and more .... just for questioning the purpose and effect of the posted pictures.

Then in the second "boob" thread. I thought, I'll ignore it and move on so I don't get the hate mail again, but my daughter caught the second thread and again the discussion of how society discriminates. This time I tried the "why should climbers be any different?" Society is well reflected right here on ST. And then IHT sort of invited a response, so I responded again about how we can learn from this thread and perhaps change. I was trying to speak to fathers mostly, but I got the emails again. I had no idea that just questioning the idea of boob threads made me so disliked. Except I ran into one female ST'er who thanked me in person.

So post all the boobs you want, create a separate boob button.. what ever.. I was just trying to say that perhaps all those pictures stolen from the internet do not further our evolvement and possibly effect more than you first think.
Tan Slacks

climber
Joshua Tree
May 14, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
I received 3 emails after the first post and 2 emails after the second. In only one of the emails did the person identity himself. None of the emails threatened me, mostly they questioned my masculinity. I am not sure how people got my email address, I have not responded to them and I am not interested in posting them here or anywhere for any personal reactions.

So I cannot tell you who they were from, perhaps one person with several aliases.

Thanks for asking though. Over the years on ST I have learned that the internet has it's own unique set of rules. ST has taught me never to take responses to any of my posts personally. I enjoy that aspect of internet forums.
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