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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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'Sacramento'
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 10, 2013 - 12:18am PT
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Ever think to ask yourself the same question? It's a tough question for any of us.
Why is it that you people can never answer a difficult question, and only bounce back the same question? Answer the question! You guys never want to answer, and then usually change the f*#king arguement.
A discussion is give/take. I refuse to bow to your bullsh#t.
Turning the question around is not an answer, an answer is.
O! the irony! WTF are you talking about? What question did I not answer?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 10, 2013 - 02:00am PT
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Did you read all the FACTs? Or just what you wanted to read? Who is the idiot?
I read that they may come after my guns next. What happens then... will I be forced to quarter soldiers against my consent?
A second doctor, the cops, and CPS cleared them before another group pounced on them.
You fuking moran! Get your timeline straight. The report was made to CPS when they took the baby out of the hospital. Once the report is made it is required BY LAW that the matter be fully investigated and the child's safety ensure until the investigation is completed... regardless of what another Dr. says.
Apologies will be accepted if you're man enough, weschrist.
Go fuk yourself you ignorant piece of sh#t. You are a disgrace to mankind.
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jstan
climber
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May 10, 2013 - 02:21am PT
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I can't stand people who are afraid to say what they really think.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 10, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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You fuking moran! Get your timeline straight. The report was made to CPS when they took the baby out of the hospital. Once the report is made it is required BY LAW that the matter be fully investigated and the child's safety ensure until the investigation is completed... regardless of what another Dr. says.
Wow. Regardless of what a doc says? CPS is the authority on child health, not the doctor?
Review your position. And this comes from a communist who has no kids and will never understand them...or the 4th Amendment apparently!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 10, 2013 - 09:26pm PT
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I thought I'd clicked on a thread about child protection, but somehow I think it put me in the "Friday night posting while drunk thread."
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 10, 2013 - 09:36pm PT
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"Friday night posting while drunk thread."
It's a nightly event
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 10, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
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you people
I always liked that line
it really is a clean way of grouping people together that one does not agree with
another one is calling me a Communists when you don't agree with me
especially when I spent two years in a fuking jungle serving America
wish you were there with me, ass hole
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 10, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
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fuk it, I want to post it again
you people
I always liked that line, BLUERING
it really is a clean way of grouping people together that one does not agree with
another one is calling me a Communist because I don't agree with you
especially when I spent two years in a fuking jungle serving America
wish you were there with me, ass hole
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 10, 2013 - 10:36pm PT
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Blue, your ignorance as to process is amazing.
CPS is that entity required by law to assure the safety of Children. They don't have a choice about getting involved, once a report is made.
you are talking about a child with a known heart defect, awaiting surgery, who becomes ill with symptoms that MAY represent severe decompensation of the heart, requiring emergency surgery to save the child's life.
While the child is being evaluated to see if that is actually what is going on, the parents take the child from the hospital without any discussion with the physicians. That should ALWAYS trigger a CPS referral, and inasmuch as CPS is not a law enforcement agency, the police to locate this child.
They go to another ER, where they are able to complete a determination that the child is actually not having a life-threatening problem. Cops arrive, see the situation, that the child is not in danger, and leave.
HOWEVER, it does not change the original scenario of parents removing what may be a life-threateningly ill child from care. This still mandates an investigation as to whether the child is being treated safely. Is there another child in the home, and how are they being treated? Are these parents whacked out druggies, who left the first hospital because it was actually time for their fixes. Are these parents repeatedly neglecting the child's care?
Are they actually the parents? This sort of scenario is the type that occasionally happens with kidnapped children!
Trust me when I say that those things actually happen. And they need answers.
Doesn't a child deserve to have every scenario examined when something is fishy?
The standard is to separate the child from the parents, and the parents from each other, and have the social workers from CPS interview and evaluate all. We all know what happens when anyone gets physical with the police....thus the father.
None of your sources talk about how this ended, but I'm sure that's because it doesn't make good copy to state that after interviewing everyone, the children and parents were released. It would sure have been in the report if the child had been taken away for some length of time.....it just IMPLIES that it happened this way.
The FIRST priority is the safety of children, with these agencies. You walk away, and something happens to the child.....unreal. There were several instances of this happening this last year in LA. They didn't remove the child, and the child died.
You appear to have been bagged by an aggressive money-grubbing lawyer, who is expertly drumming up media hype.
The child was NOT injured. There is now NO uncertainty in the case.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2013 - 01:10am PT
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It's an oversimplification to say that the process works simply because the child was not injured.
I do think that there may be room for improvement when it comes to CPS's actual execution.
Now that I saw the video, one obvious problem is that they sent the cops to the house, they took the kid and don't even tell the parents what is going on or who they can talk to to help move the process along.
It's like something out of Kafka.
Lot's of folks here saying CPS is underfunded. Then let's fund it.
But I'm still not going to some teabagger rant fest.
CPS is not a police agency. They are not sworn officers, and they cannot take people into custody. That requires the police.
You seem to have an odd idea of how you secure an uncertain situation. You don't tell people what is going on, you want to keep them off balance, so that they will not be guarded in answering questions. You separate them, then compare the stories that they are giving. The best way to move the process along, is to cooperate.
It's easy to cop an attitude, when the participants are relatively innocent. The problem is, going in, you don't know that. You don't know if you are dealing with abducted children, child abusers, human traffickers, what.
So you take control of the situation. You take control of the children SO THEY CAN'T BE HOSTAGES. You have to think that way......to avoid REAL sad outcomes.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 11, 2013 - 01:18am PT
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I've dated them and the conversational pleasantries of their work causes a problem trying to have a drink with your teeth curled.
Social workers are humans. A small % get it wrong, The others earn their meager pay because they actually and truly give a f*#k about the results of their work.
Social working as a profession, seems to age idealistic people much faster than their hope for human peace can defend.
I've also been involved with a CPS social worker, and it is hard to listen!
Generally, the best people I've ever encountered. Their jobs are unimaginable.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 11, 2013 - 11:01am PT
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Blue, your ignorance as to process is amazing.
+1.0E+10 for everyone but the moran.
Glad to see blurring is still among the small minority of truly idiotic sheeple who can be duped into thinking that legal actions by CPS designed to protect children is just a precursor to taking away guns and the eventual Socialist uprising of the Obama Party.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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May 11, 2013 - 11:23am PT
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Here's an update.
The infant's case went to court.
The judge believed that CPS acted in the best interest of the infant when CPS seized custody of him.
The judge also ruled that the parents must follow all medical advice from now on, and must not leave a hospital with their child without being properly discharged.
The judge ruled that a CPS social worker will make regular house visits to check on the infant when he is returned home.
Methinks there is much more to the story than we read in the news.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 11, 2013 - 11:25am PT
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do you guy's think blurring is going to change his position?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 11, 2013 - 11:33am PT
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No. Blurring will forever remain on his hands and knees "supporting" the irrational "reformers"... from both ends.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 11, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
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If CPS had done absolutely nothing in this case, what would have been the harm?
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John M
climber
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May 11, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
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Maybe nothing Chaz. But how would you know until someone investigated? Doing nothing leaves a lot of children in bad places. Very bad places. The problem is that its difficult to come up with a good solution, because it all depends on humans, who are fallible. Doing nothing when a doctor says there might be abuse is foolish. And it doesn't work very well to have people who make 30 grand a year make decisions when there are conflicting reports from professionals like doctors, which is why we added the safe guard of a judge to the system. But then even they are fallible. Which is why we now have child advocates, and maybe we even need parent advocates. But do you know just how many parents are terrible, yet think that they are great? Just like drunks who say.. I can drive. There are tons of parents who shouldn't be allowed to drive a child. But then you have the problem of what to do with the children whose parents are terrible parents. Which is why we have the foster care program. But then there are tons of pitfalls with that.
Humans are fallible and we all need to do the best that we can to make things better.
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ec
climber
ca
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May 11, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
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Where's Sacrameto?
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