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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 23, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
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I said it before, but gun laws make differing sense in differing areas.
Even a crazy guy needs a gun just to eat in interior Alaska. Yeah you can buy store food. If you want to go broke.
I have hung out with a fair number of eskimos and even further south. Those guys love the AR platform and the .223 with a fat clip for bears.
They take down grizzlies with those things. They certainly kill caribou and moose.
I read a book about one guy who would kill caribou with a .22. He would always go for a neck shot and multiple rounds. It actually worked if he was close.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
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Any "assault" weapon ban should apply to police weapons, too.
Not that we ever think we are going to go up against the police, that'd be suicide stupid.
But the "assault" weapon ban should apply to cops too because it is never the job of the police to assault citizens. Cops are armed in order to defend themselves.
Cops should only be allowed to carry / possess Defense Weapons. Weapons only capable of self defense, and useless for assault.
Responsible Citizens should be allowed access to the same weapons.
Glocks and AR's seem to be what the cops like.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:01pm PT
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Nice try Anders, but the primary reason that people own these weapons is for defense, although as has already been pointed out it is possible to make a tack driver out of the AR platform.
Even cops own ARs for defense. I know personally of several cases.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
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I actually hope something like that actually does happen, and soon - the high-definition footage of a wingnut compound disintegrating via Apache, broadcast thousands of times on every news outlet in the world, would collapse the gun industry overnight.
Nice sociopathic rant... you actually want people who you know nothing personally about, but different from you, to die. On TV nonetheless in a hail of Apache gunfire.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
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Anders, right tool for the job.
Inuit use .223 on everything. Its cheap, but for a big bear I'd want a shotgun or .45-70, but taking caribou with a .22lr might not be an ethical kill.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
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But you think the citizens are the enemy of the people?
The cops aren't the only ones dealing with unsavory elements.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:18pm PT
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30% of americans own a gun ,i dont care where you live ,country,city.nobody ,either here or in gov has the balls to put it to a vote.......americans avoiding democracy.just get in line w/the4 million of the nra .theres a plan
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:21pm PT
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You missed the point I was making, jghedge.
Here, hold my hand. I'll walk you through it.
Cops carry weapons for self defense purposes, not to assault people.
Cops are professionals, obviously.
When I'm looking for a tool for a job, the first thing I do is find out what the pros use.
And for self defense, apparently the Glock and the AR are what works.
You want to ban self defense tools? Because that's what you're proposing.
Remember. Not everyone's fourtunate enough to be white, and live in a peaceful neighborhood. For a lot of folks, self defense is more than theory. It's survival.
That wasn't so bad. Now, was it?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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Sort of inconvenient that more criminals are shot by civilians than cops.
Every month there is a list of newspaper articles describing justified shootings.
So common it would never make national news.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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You know why? That's because citizens are f*#king EVERYWHERE.
Cops are few and far between, especially when you need one.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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Exactly Chaz.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:29pm PT
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Hint: It isn't the same thing as self-defense
Cops are allowed to shoot when it is not in defense? Since when?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Then why aren't 12,000 a year dying in the UK, instead of 35?
In part because the population of the UK is about 1/5 of that of the USA. So if the UK has 35 gun murders a year, the USA should proportionately 'only' have 2,400. Something like that, anyway - perhaps there's a crime studier around who could help with this.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:37pm PT
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Umm..if they see someone shooting/raping/assualting someone else?
Why did you change from "self-defense" to "defense"?
Uh,...... because its still a defensive shooting, just like if they shoot a guy pointing a gun at another cop.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 23, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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Actually civilians can be justified in using lethal force to defend certain other people.
Too much noise, time out for a quality libation.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:07am PT
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By your trad analogy, what should a die-hard aid climber have?
Ice? I've always been partial to old-school double(side by side)12g coach shotguns.
You might be on to something there... Getting slapped in the cheek by those things IS similar to leading WI5 on a cold brittle day. FUN!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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Wasn't Whitman found to have a large brain tumor?
Piton Ron - initially reports stated Whitman had a tumor, glioblastoma, a type of brain tumor, putting pressure on regions of his brain responsible for the regulation of strong emotions.
Later reports disputed that. I'm no expert. Maybe someone who is can weigh in on this. Even if he did, most folks with brain tumors don't shoot up a bunch of innocents so the role of a tumor (if present) on his behavior seems up to debate imo.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:22am PT
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But the "assault" weapon ban should apply to cops too because it is never the job of the police to assault citizens.
You are seriously crazy. Your crazy thinking led to the shooting of a number of police officers in my community, when they did not have the firepower to deal with TWO guys in body armor who decided to take out a phalanx of cops while robbing a bank:
Local patrol officers at the time were typically armed with their personal 9 mm or .38 Special pistols, with some having a 12-gauge shotgun available in their cars. Phillips and Mătăsăreanu carried illegally modified fully automatic AKMs and an AR-15 rifle with high capacity drum magazines and ammunition capable of penetrating police body armor. They also wore body armor of their own. Since the police handguns could not penetrate the bank robbers' body armor, the patrol officers' bullets were ineffective. SWAT eventually arrived with rifles powerful enough to penetrate the body armor. Several officers also appropriated AR-15 rifles from a nearby firearms dealer. The incident sparked debate on the need for patrol officers to upgrade their capabilities in similar situations in the future.[4]
Because of the large number of injuries, rounds fired, weapons used, and overall length of the shootout, it is regarded as one of the longest and bloodiest events in US police history.[5] This incident would later lead to California enforcing a highly restrictive law on firearms, including the controversial "10-round magazine-only" law for most firearms owned by state residents.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 24, 2012 - 12:49am PT
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If there were an armed guard in a school, a student shooter would probably just walk up behind him and off him first thing, then the shooter would have twice as many guns. A big kid could probably whack him with a baseball bat and get the gun!
Just sayin. Plus, teacher are being laid off in droves and somebody wants to pay armed guys to hang out in schools? To save a few kids every few years? Seems misguided
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