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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:54am PT
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For all Obama's talk of Hitler, Assad is not even as bad as Saddam Hussein. Unlike Assad, Hussein gassed his neighbors, as well as his own people.
This is true. We were quite willing to look the other way with Saddam as long as he was tying up Iran in a long and bloody war. Saddam used chemical weapons on the Iranians (as well as the Kurds in his own country).
It is now very apparent that trying to "fix things" in that part of the world is dangerous. We always seem to be facing unintended consequences.
Kuwait was the only good military action that we have taken in the middle east. Reagan put the marines in Lebanon where 243 marines were killed by a truck bomb. He pulled them out immediately.
If Obama had done this, there would be accusations of "Cut and run."
I have a buddy who was a marine that arrived in Lebanon 24 hours after that attack during the Reagan administration.
The idea that we would be greeted as liberators in Baghdad was short lived.
I missed the first part of Obama's speech last night, but I did hear him finally say that the U.S. can't be the world's policeman.
Amen to that.
Just consider us leaving Afghanistan and Iraq after the first 12 to 24 months. Would these places be better off than if we had wasted ten years and thousands of lives on both sides trying to install our form of democracy?
We wasted all of those lives, have so many injured soldiers, and also many, many, innocent people dead. Why do we think that we can turn those people into little Thomas Jefferson's? They are less than a century from riding camels and fighting tribe to tribe.
Nation building was a big mistake. We should have just kicked the Taliban's butt and left. Either way, they are going to take control again when we leave Afghanistan.
Obama has disappointed me by taking so long to get out of there. He also took up too many of Bush's bad habits and ran with them.
The world needs some peace and quiet. Civil wars, such as Syria, are a quagmire with no clear outcome. It isn't like, say, France during WWII.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Sep 11, 2013 - 11:58am PT
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Sully, Catch 22 is an awesome book about the absurdity of war. The movie is great, but the book is a must read. Hilarious.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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Obama flat kicks ass!
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crankster
Trad climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:25pm PT
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I agree HFCS. Think about where we were in 2008. I think the events of the last several weeks could make his last 18 months in office more effective than the last 6 1/2 years.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
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Our leader.
Proud.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
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Historic.
Proud.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:40pm PT
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i've not a faith bone in my body. i'm a secular humanist through and through.
but when I watched our great president busted out Amazing Grace I got chills (well, not exactly chills since its kinda hot 'round these parts).
But dang.... what an amazing man. So fortunate he came out of almost nowhere to take over the rainbow house.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:48pm PT
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But he is black!
no, he is only half white
and Muslim
and born in Kenya
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:49pm PT
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no, not just any kind of Muslim. He's an Atheist Muslim. Biiiiiiiiig diff.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 26, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
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not positive, but I think he connected with the audience.
Our leader is a great man, very proud of him.
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10b4me
Social climber
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Jun 26, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
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I have come to the conclusion that all of this rabid brain loss over Obama is because he is black.
+1
Something I find ironic,is that Anthony Kennedy was nominated to the Supreme Court by the republican God, Ronnie raygun.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 26, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
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Stop deceiving yourselfs and lying in public.
If you all are gonna hail your beloved president, you should atleast show him the do respect and know the truth to who he hails. To who he calls his savior.
You don't have no use for truth though, do ya Norton?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 26, 2015 - 08:10pm PT
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Judge not Norton lest thee be judged...Norton's punishment awaits...
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID
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Jun 26, 2015 - 08:18pm PT
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Word.
Following over here, Boss.....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 26, 2015 - 08:28pm PT
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If you all are gonna hail your beloved president, you should atleast show him the do respect and know the truth to who he hails. To who he calls his savior.
That would be Jesus Christ, someone not well known to you, apparently.
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o-man
Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
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Jun 26, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
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I can't remember being so touched and PROUD as I am today after hearing our presidents presentation in Charleston!
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jun 26, 2015 - 09:19pm PT
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heres a 3 minute clip of what "the rest of the world" thinks about your precious president:
Uh... Don't I remember about three zillion posts from you saying words to the effect of "Who gives a f*#k what those ragheads in the Middle East think. We should just worry about what's happening here in the US."
But I guess since your pres is now a gay-lover, you've seen the light and believe that what people in the Middle East think is what's really important.
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d-know
Trad climber
electric lady land
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Jun 26, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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Our president rong, ours.
That means
yours too.
Enjoy the
love.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 26, 2015 - 10:11pm PT
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Nice to see that Ron allows that he no longer identifies with the Country of America, and looks to the Muslim community to find his guidance.
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