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John M
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
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No locker. I am not all knowing. And neither are you. I have seen you get on certain kicks, wanting your answer because you have had a come back ready and really wanted to use it. So I asked.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
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Nobody here is suggesting that guns be banned.
I wouldn't have a problem with that
I have no problem with people being allowed to carry a revolver in public for personal protection.
I do
I have no problem with people being allowed to keep a shotgun or bolt-action rifle in their home for personal protection and sport.
I do
But people don't need automatic weapons of any sort, and we don't need huge magazines - those are just toys.
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Unfortunately, they are more than toys - they have an effect on people. They give the troubled and disturbed a sense of power. The bigger and badder the gun, the more power they think they have to make things right in a world where they have lost control.
it's called having a small dick
We have the right to protect ourselves, we don't have the right to access the power to kill on a large scale just because some folks favor a particular hobby.
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Stop glamorizing the gun, and fewer people will see them as the one power that can solve their problems.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
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This has changed America more than anything since 9-11.
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John M
climber
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:21pm PT
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To be TOTALLY honest...
It's a little of BOTH on my part...
Thanks for acknowledging that. this is the kind of thing that I meant about the need to clear the air before progress can be made. My best guess is that Dean knew he was being set up, and so what would be the point of walking into an ambush.
Cards on the table is one form of clearing the air.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:23pm PT
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I dont cotton to the MENTALLY ILL defense in regards to these types tragedies.
Ron, and I agree on something
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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Not my idea, but would keeping the names of the shooters anonymous be a deterrent?
I think it would.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:28pm PT
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Mental illness or not...
IMHO if you MURDER, RAPE, MOLEST, HARM, etc...
FUK YOU!!!...
In case of MURDER???...
Mental illness or not???...
FRY!!!...
Locker, now you and I agree
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:36pm PT
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Wait a second here... I lived an hour away from the closest Police Station in Michigan. I was a woman, living ALONE. I did not have a gun but the old farmer that was renting the place to me insisted I keep one of his old shotguns over my door. He supplied it, taught me how to use it, etc. He didn't want some stupid fool figuring I was easy pickings.
One night one of the local idiots did show up. When he broke in and found me waiting with the shotgun pointing right at him , he sure ran faster than I though possible. When the police did show up two hours later, they had fun picking his drunk ass up, told him that yes, that shotgun was loaded and... They told his wife about it too. After that people knew I wasn't such an easy target, and when I went into town, they congratulated me with a job well done.
Now I honestly don't need a gun right now in the town I am living in since the Police will show up super fast but in rural areas, or in cities that have a slow police response because of volume, it's dang useful to be armed and dangerous.
Or at least have a descent sized dog... :)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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but in rural areas, or in cities that have a slow police response because of volume, it's dang useful to be armed and dangerous.
yep
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
Weapons: Of the 139 guns possessed by the killers, more than three quarters were obtained legally. The arsenal included dozens of assault weapons and semiautomatic handguns. (See charts below.) Just as Jeffrey Weise used a .40-caliber Glock to massacre students in Red Lake, Minnesota, in 2005, so too did James Holmes (along with an AR-15 assault rifle) when blasting away at his victims in a darkened movie theater.
The "If guns are outlawed only Outlaws will have guns" Mantra is nothing but NRA propaganda and hyperbole. It does not need to be so easy to get assault weaponry and high capacity magazines. There is not a single logical reason to have those kinds of weapons in the hands of your average Joe the Plumber. If you choose to believe you need that kind of fire power to protect your life guess what you are all ready dead. Nothing but a souless husk of fear and defeat.
How about this as a compromise; Anyone can get a concealed weapon carry permit provided they are prohibited from wearing clothing.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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Thank's Ron. That ones been eatin away at me
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:43pm PT
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Riley, a culture where we call people names with vulgarity so easily is a big problem. Good job.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:46pm PT
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This just in...Cause and Effect?
Supreme Court Justice Scalia said he believes the 2nd Amendment gives the right to own any kind of weapon they can physically carry "on their person", grenade launchers, etc
Oh I so gotta get me sum GrrrrNades I'd feel so safe. 'Cause nuttin says back off like a guy on a bad hair day with a GrrrrNade in one hand and the pin in the other.
GrrrrNades don't kill.
Pulling the pin does.
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Snowmassguy
Trad climber
Calirado
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
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Until the media stops glorifying the shooter, it will continue to happen. These guys want to be immortalized by the media . Here in Colorado, I see a picture if the Aurora A**wipe just about everyday. They need to not mention their names and stop showing their photos on the news.
We need solutions....not arguments over religion and politics. Sure ban guns but how does the government recover the over 200 million currently owned in the US. Not going to happen.
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 04:58pm PT
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How about allowing bullying, allowing folks to mistreat others? Ignoring a person that is visibly mentally ill, just hoping they will go away? Knowing someone is messed up and not attempting to help? How about seeing someone doing a violent act and not intervening? Or seeing someone sick and not assisting? I see this all the time. Even witnessed a guy beating up his girlfriend and everyone just standing there watching. Now that is some weak sauce!
Grow some balls by helping this world get better. Do something that really is harder, takes your time, and makes a real difference. Gun control is only a "part" of the problem. We create more laws and despite them guns will still be easy to get, we just will do it illegally... Plus if that person doesn't have guns, pipe bombs are sure easy to make, there is always poison, etc. The tool is not the real issue, it's the desire to do such harm. I bet there were plenty of signs that this guy was up to this. Plenty and our culture of not interfering, not taking responsibility to reach out and figure they guy out lead to this.
AFS
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:02pm PT
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Any change we could simply mourn the dead kindergarteners, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th graders for, oh, maybe 24 hours before resuming this inane bullshit topic that will change no minds and lead nowhere?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:05pm PT
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An honest question: How restrictive are Connecticut's firearm laws?
I don't have any info on that, but I don't need any info to know that this is appalling. Sad to say, I doubt that new facts will change many minds on this issue.
John
Edit: Thanks, bvb, for saying what I should have said.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:06pm PT
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Guess not.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 14, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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Riley,
I challenge you to point out exactly where Anderson was wrong when he wrote:
"an "ar-15" is only called an "assualt" rifle due to its shape and appearence. it is NO different that any semi auto deer rifle or skeewarell shooter out there."
If you can't, then I would suggest you take your own advice and "f*#k off with stupid..."
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