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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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What need more time or look up. Maybe call one of your contacts.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Hmm A man without a country?
I know the America I grew up believing in does not exist at least not here in the USA. Maybe it does in Norway or a few other places I'd like to be able to check out.
But it should.
I think it can.. I hope so.
One of the places I have seen it's shadow is in our military. unfortunately our military keeps getting used by the pretender slime that perverts what America should be
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
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Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
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These define the soul of the dream that is America to me
Currently the USA is a government of the banker for the banker by the banker. We get service only and if it helps the banker first and foremost. Or occasionally we are thrown a bone if it costs nothing and does not hurt the banker.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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John,
Yes I did. Our Company Commander [CO] was Lt. Col Charles Beckwith who created Delta Force. Pretty much of the same tactics or number of guys that got Bin Laden were used at that time when we were there but it was created by another CO. Two teams of twelve making it 24. Split up running around.
Chief: I have honour for my fallen fellow teams members that sacrificed as well.
I do not have respect or honour where most of what we did in the last 20 years that makes you wonder where we went wrong. Not the people who served but the people who put them in harm’s way. You can recall when you gave that oath: For better or worse as in either right or wrong.
It will be post: providing I get off and get it done.
When I get to someone that posted 20 years later sad to say where hate comes in when we were a band of brothers once.
Still waiting on where just give a town that is close?
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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TC..
Yes Jefferson was a hypocrite and actually a lot more complicated than the average hypocrite.
But what he wrote has changed the world for the better it should continue to do so.
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John M
climber
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Lost.. This probably sounds trite now.. but thank you for your service.
Chief, you wrote earlier to Lost..
"These last 15 years been a man without a Country"
That was your choice.
But being the typical whatever, you do not realize the price that has been paid so you may have the freedom to do so, unrestricted and without imposition.
But, you most likely are totally clueless to what I just said.
Seems to me like he knows what the cost is.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Personally my dream is simple now. I just want to see what the USA could be if we had government of the people by the people for the people.
K.I.S.S.
A constitutional Amendment that bans any large donation of any type of value to any candidate by anything or anyone.
A person works mainly for who gives them their job. Lets make sure only we the people are giving our representatives their jobs.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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He just might have scrambled eggs induced PTSD.
I suspect it's common for NCOs in the Navy.
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John M
climber
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Ease up there Riley. Didn't you serve in combat before you went into the medical field? I know you were in the army, but I don't know where you served.
Chief, Riley has been the head RN in a number of very active ERs. There isn't much he hasn't seen or had to deal with as far as ERs go.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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By the way Chief, I did not run. In fact I disobeyed orders and went into the field to see my guys to say hello since there was a bond. It was an easy in and out in two days, I had confidence in my decision. The second day changed my life forever.
To make it short we lost our new never been out in the field Captain, a Lt. which made two sergeants to lead; I was second or #2 in command of what was left of 24 guys. When sh#t hit the fan: the fight, I felt it lasted only 2 hours long, I was told it was more than 6 hours.
When Sgt. Stewart [#1] took command he was in a daze, could not call in strikes, radio man was hit as well as the radio, then he said we need to go forward. I said we need to pull back and get in a defense mode. He disagreed; a couple of my Band of Brothers said shoot him, we won't tell.
Pulled out my 45 automatic and held to my side and told Stewart “I'm not in favor of killing a fellow American but I will to save my men understand’ It did not take long for him to comply, now the only thing that stood in our way was “leave no man behind” since our point man was killed.
He did not have the courage to get him, we exchanged words so I went, crawled and slowly brought him back to the defense position where my team or what was left set up, everyone was ok; well we still had wounded and KIA but they were safe for the moment and out of harms way. As for me just needed a few meters getting into the zone, I needed to lift him up and that is when I got hit. I was the last one shot after that. It became quit, the fight was over, no more shots just the noise of our unit Hilos extracting us out.
Yes, I received medals [four years later] for it but they gave them out like candy.
So when your boat/ship gets hit you swim. We were on the ground.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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So you have PTSD
I don't.
But to get back on the subject that was first posted, I have members of my unit as well as other service guys from being on the ground and in the air that never made it back home and are still missing. That is where my honour exsists, Werner said it best and Mouse provided an exellent comment as well.
Thats what this is all about those guys in that storm. I salute them.
As for you Chief
You are faking yours so you can get the extra $$$ like a few others that do.
Give me some time will provide the ops for you with a map. This was in March of '68, a year later was when the action really started: Movies were eventually made about those fights.
Need to laugh, you do not know Sh%t about anything only your "boat"
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squishy
Mountain climber
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lol chef swinging is dick around in a honorable thread...what's new..
you really should take up drinking again chef...
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Sounds like Hurricane Sandy went from Virginia all the way up to The Chief's Vagina.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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You are correct the storm is over, no rain and honour those guys that walk.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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chef saw a guy on the carrier deck get hit with a heli blade once, it really destroyed him apparently... (the pics are on rotten.com if you want to have the same experience)
I saw a guy lose a hand in a tank thread once, maybe I can get away with at least being a dick to him...
So chef, how did all those bar fights start? You know, when you were a drunk back in the day?
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Too bad a good thread got ruined by a bunch of dicks.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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But in all of this,, one thing can be counted on, that our TROOPS WILL WIN when they are given "permission". They been proving that for well over 100 years.
And what is your excuse for Korea?
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turd
climber
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This latest bit of conversation, on this site, makes me sad.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Something civilians do not understand, and it leads to massive numbers of unneccessary casualties: RULES OF ENGAGEMENT! This is why our troops die, and are not "allowed to win." Some f*#king bureaurat somewhere makes a decision that says "Oh, you might hurt somebody's feelings!" The result is dead Marines and Soldiers. This is why we've not "fought to win" in the conflicts since W.W. II.
Re, the comment on Korea: Truman didn't want to have a ground war in Asia, and thus restricted the U.S. Air Force to refrain from bombing North of the Yalu. He effectively tied MacArthur's hands in his prosecution of the war. Ridgway came in after macArthur was sacked, and fought it to a stalemate after the clandestine incursion of 400,000 Chinese troops that blunted the drive to totally rout the North Koreans. He (Truman) didn't want one, but he GOT a ground war in Asia due to his interference. Thus began the "rules of engagement" follies.
In my PERSONAL OPINION, the most "humane way" to fight a war is with utmost violence and savagery, thereby GETTING IT FINISHED FAST!
Riley-I believe you know that I was a Medic and X-Ray Tech; it didn't take a war to see all kinds of ER-type schizzle on an emergency basis; training accidents around an armor batallion weren't very pretty. Guys nearly getting their feet chopped off by standing on the deck of an M60A1 when some a$$hole decides to rotate the turret, drunk Germans riding Mopeds getting hit by a deuce-and-a-half... that kind of crap.
But...as usual, I've probably said too much.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Ron-
You forgot one other thing: to PROFIT from them.
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