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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:11am PT
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John, give me a call when you guys are gonna be out there, I'll make my best to come out and help get it done. What I did, was nothing, what I can do might amount to something.
Peace
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:24am PT
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Being a curmudgeon and being an original are not mutually exclusive. :)
GU:
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Ground-Up
Trad climber
ca
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:31am PT
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I'm not picking on any one and I'm not looking for brownie points and CURT IS STILL A DICK!
I also think any one trying to clean up the planet is cool and doing a great thing
Sounds like jstan is trying to do good things and I think that's great
He sounds like a good dude
Just got tired of hearing about Pit
I do believe The Pit is not giving climbers a good name with the people that live in Joshua Tree
TAKE IT or LEAVE IT
O ya LOCKER IS STILL A DICK !
This will be my last post on this subject
Im off to go climbing
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:35am PT
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I'm not picking on any one and I'm not looking for brownie points and CURT IS STILL A DICK!
I can live with that.
This will be my last post on this subject
Somehow I doubt it.
Curt
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jstan
climber
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:44am PT
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Ron:
Right now we are mainly pointing toward the AAC's Spring Clean in the Park. I have been volunteering with George Land's group on the NPS which is now responding, just as did Facelift, to the Cultural Resource Protection Act. With the JT Clean Team/off the Park we run into debris I estimate to be as much as 100 years old. A story I ran into in the Park.
On a walk I saw some interesting stones and picked up a couple as souvenirs. Then PT said, "John! Look!" The stones formed a rectangle 2 1/2 feet wide by 6 feet long. I put them back and when we later showed the site to a knowledgeable friend he knew exactly where in Nevada the stones originated. Stream worn sandstone. Someone's mother is buried there.
Life here can be really raw and I see both old and recent evidence of that. You can be in just a desperate area with broken glass everywhere and come on women's underwear thrown onto the ground. Or find piles of badly rusted cans, with no house anywhere nearby, many of them the old soldered cans used for a baby's milk. A family was living there in a tent taking care of a baby.
You see two lines of stones forming a right angle? Someone was living there in a tent.
The frontier.
There is one thing I am not clear on however. If someone over 50 years old falls off the rocks in the Park. Do we have to leave him where he lies?
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 11, 2012 - 11:36am PT
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This thread proves that one mans chick magnet is another mans garbage dump.
Good people doing good stuff is all it takes to dilute the bad stuff, or even motivate change. School is out for us Thanksgiving week, we are looking for a project, so if the clean team needs help we are on it.
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jstan
climber
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
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Well, I have joined the ranks of the perplexed. G-U is not who I thought he was.
Edit:
You can never tell about chick magnets. A fellow built a house near me with a 50' lap pool and a sauna in hopes of keeping his wife here. She left and he ended up following her. You may be right. But I tend to doubt spreading broken glass around would have done the trick.
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east side underground
climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
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"one man's chick magnet, is another man's garbage dump".....Classic
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
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That last sentence LOCKER......couldn't agree more. Not that I have anything against either of them, but neither is on my list of listening to constructive criticism from. I'll go out and help and I ain't a real climber anyway, you've seen me climb!!!! Or lack of it these days.
Peace
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
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CURT IS STILL A DICK! LOCKER IS STILL A DICK !
This will be my last post on this subject
heh
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jstan
climber
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Nov 11, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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If one is breathing one may expect to get crap. It is not a problem however, as crap is something you are quite used to.
You do need to start worrying when you don't get crap. That means you need to get a mirror and check to make sure you are still breathing.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 11, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
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It sounds like all that training at the FaceLift is paying off, and that jstan is turning into an archaeologist. Wow!
For ground-up and other members of the peanut gallery, I can only quote the famous adage "Better to light one candle, than to curse the darkness". Why don't you get out and do something useful for our community, before yapping?
jstan is a respected and long-standing part of the climbing community. Whether or not he actually climbs now is irrelevant - although I climbed with John at JT only a year or two ago. Once a climber - in the true sense of the word - always a climber. And it's in any case irrelevant to the community and environmental question as to stewardship of the Pit.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
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What would LEB say?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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jstan
climber
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Nov 11, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
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LEB:
"Stannard is not going to be standing all that much longer."
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 11, 2012 - 05:34pm PT
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LEB:
"Stannard is not going to be standing all that much longer."
Clearly more delusional Tea Party drivel, or is that dribble?
Jstan is and will continue to stand tall and proud for a loooooong time, period.
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jstan
climber
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Nov 11, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
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I was kidding. Lois did not say that. Sorry about that.
Not to worry. My morale suffers only when there is no action.
As you were.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 11, 2012 - 10:29pm PT
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Sometimes, people can be really good rock climbers and really nice in person, but have no idea about internet etiquette.
It's not that GU is an as#@&%e - I'm sure whoever he is, he is a cool dude. It's that it is weird talking on line to people if you don't it very regular. He strikes me as a guy who isn't a "forum dude" (me) and just wants to say his piece and have that be that. I can choose when not to be offended, sticks and stones...
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jstan
climber
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Nov 12, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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Every chance I can, I have been going down to the Pit talking to people and telling them of Robert's guidelines. Communication is the key at this time. I think ST has served that purpose well. When more needs to be put on ST I plan to do so. Right now the need is not high.
Why do I respond here, then?
Scott, you are out of touch. I have not met any deadbeats at the pit. Indeed people have asked if they can make a contribution. I have declined, saying all people need do is read Robert's guidelines, treat the area gently and leave it as clean or cleaner than it was when they first came. Without being critical I would ask you to consider viewing this matter very calmly. Calm and considered action is what we need. Robert has made it clear the area will be closed if those needing the area do not give it the care it needs. Mind you emphasizing the possibility of closure itself tends to cause people to get emotional. We don't need more emotion.
One individual posting on ST has seemed to be assuming I propose to benefit financially out of my efforts. We all share the same desire to have the area clean and treated well. I am not even sure anyone could benefit.
So I would ask everyone to dial it back and let success have a chance to succeed. That's all we need.
The future is in the hands of the people using the area.
For me, the next parcel to the West looks like it will be the ultimate challenge. The 5.16 of trash picking.
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Nov 12, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Every now-and-then the pit had nice energy, when nice people stayed there.
I always wondered - the owner has a backhoe. There is sand for concrete. Plus talented wanderers of diverse backgrounds and a strong-bodied labor force.
Why dont they built a PIT toilet???
Then it wouldnt be such a looming public health threat...
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