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10b4me
Ice climber
dingy room at the Happy boulders hotel
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:39pm PT
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Curt, you are looking at it from an american perspective. as I said earlier, TdF will always be popular in Europe. Armstrong wasn't the most popular guy while racing on the continent.
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Roughster
Sport climber
Vacaville, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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The fact that the TdF will still be popular in the US IMO is due to Lance.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Aug 24, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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You guys don't get it!
This POS is no hero.
He cheated your son or your brother!
Do you want your child, who perhaps falls in love with the TDF, while sitting on your lap to have to stack 10 different drugs and dope his blood 5 different ways to be able to enjoy competition?
Who gives a f*#k if they have to go back all the way to a Po-dunk fun ride in shitsville America to find a Champion.
This can not be about who has the most money, who is willing to lie the most, and who is the best cheater? Can it?
What the hell are you guys teaching your kids?
No wonder this world is so f*#ked...
Well, there was plenty of doping in bike racing before Lance, and there has been at least some post-Lance. So it is not as if he is somehow solely responsible for the whole mess. And the pros I have talked to recently sdo think things are cleaner now than they were. I'd rather all the effort that is being put into this was instead put into continuing to improve the current situation rather then re-hashing this business.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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His old blood samples being restested today when the ability to discover substances in the blood is much higher
Armstrong accepting the ban
It's all out in the open now. You have to be blinded by ideology or ignorant lojality to not get the picture. He cheated. Many have been caught the last few years and it's necessary to catch the cheaters if you want to get a cleaner sport.
They better retest the sample of whomever they are retroactively awarding those TDF titles too until they find somebody beyond suspicion. Fair is fair.
Can you imagine authorities and media of all sorts could look back at the past with x-ray perfect vision. I guarantee every president we've ever had would be retroactively impeached
Peace
karl
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
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The USADA bans Armstrong for life and strips him of his championship rides (which they don't have the authority to do).
Since this is a very bold and harsh punishment, shouldn't they publish all the evidence which they have accumulated? They were not shy about publishing their illegitimate punishment.
Also, when are we gonna see Willard Romney's income tax returns?
Does Armstrong have hidden assets in Swiss bank accounts? Has he been seen in the Caymans?
PTFU or STFU.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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Viva le Tour!
They got what they wanted. Lance caved and they use that as their evidence without having to put the rest out to public scutiny. As I said up front, doing all this after the fact is lame. They damn well better go back and test every American Cyclist now and strip everyone that fails a retroactive drug test or has someone rat them out for personal gain.
Oh that's right, they can't really strip non-US titles. The UCI does that. Doh!
I don't condone PED's, but this is being handled really poorly all the way around. Nobody is going to win when the dust settles.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
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Riley
This time I think Dr. F is just redefining "by fair means" to fit his own feelings.
Edit: LA should in this case be judged and banned for his rulebreaking actions and not for the man he is. I hope he has the support of some close friends. He needs them now.
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Dolomite
climber
Anchorage
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
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Thanks Fletcher, for posting this:
http://redkiteprayer.com/2012/08/endgame/
Though there's not much evidence of anyone here reading it. The point Padraig makes in the article that I found most pertinent is that if you take LA out of the standings for the seven TdF wins, of the remaining 21 riders in the top three places, only ONE is not a proven (not by hearsay) doper.
It's a mess that stripping LA of the wins does NOT solve or even begin to remedy. These idiotic ruling bodies should be moving forward.
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climbera5
Trad climber
Sacramento
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Aug 24, 2012 - 05:58pm PT
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Can you name the new 7 winners of the TDF? Who will care anyway. Do you think Andy Schleck wakes up every morning thinking "I won the 2011 TDF!" NOBODY will think that other than Andy's mom. Point is, you can't erase what LA has accomplished and I don't think the USADA can make him their new druggie poster boy. It won't stick. Maybe in France but not here.
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all in jim
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
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Most people want a hero who wins more races, hits more home runs, catches more touchdowns and wins more medals.
We buy the bikes, the hats and the baseballs (well maybe not you, specifically, but can you hear what I'm saying?) We watch the events. We are partly to blame for making our heros so big (literally and figuratively!)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
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I would feel better about Armstrong if he would come clean. Arrogantly and vehemently calling it a witch hunt AFTER he decides not to contest is beyond the pale. Everyone deserves his day in court but by refusing to contest LA avoids his. He obviously is aware of the preponderance of the evidence against him- a de facto admission of guilt if there ever was one.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
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It's all these so called scientist lab coats faults.
Those slide rule wankers made this sh!t!!!!
Throw em all in jail.
Heh heh heh ......
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
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Dr F you are usually reasonable. Anyone who thinks an ego maniac like Armstrong who has financiial resources would not fight the charges IF he thought he had a chance of prevailing is not being reasonable.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
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^^^^ You should read the post directly above yours. Armstrong had absolutely no chance in a USADA arbitration.
Curt
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:28pm PT
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The federal court couldn't find enough evidence of conspiracy to charge him, but the USADA could. Pffft.
He did it, but they missed the window. This smacks of revenge and grandstanding now. They should have let go and focused on the future.
Professional sports sucks the soul out of everything it touchs.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
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I'd love to see the Chain of Custody forms for those samples the USADA is saying are "consistent with doping" (WTF ever that weasel words phrase is supposed to mean).
If I were a lawyer for LA, that would be where I would start. You could probably blow holes a mile wide in the COC by now, after 10 years of shipping those things around.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
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You could probably blow holes a mile wide in the COC by now
heh.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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Seems there's a lot of discomfort in America over this. It happened so long ago.
Americans will see the lynching of Lance, against the backdrop of the Batman Movie Killer in AZ. Such a complicated trial for this guy and he was caught at the scene.
Lance, in contrast, gets hanged out of hand, 13 years later.
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FTOR
Sport climber
CA
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Aug 24, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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what gets me about all of this is the hypocrisy of them going after lance and turning a blind eye to the prevalence of doping in all the major money sports in this country. there's probably not a player in the nfl who hasn't doped. biking hardly registers in this country. who's even following the veulta right now?
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