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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
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Curt +1
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yosguns
climber
Durham, NC
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
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Curt +2
EDIT: But on another note, I don't really understand the need for all these ad hominem arguments.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
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Nature asked:
I'd like to know about this rebate my President speaks of for those of us qualify (do I)?
IF your healthcare company does NOT spend at LEAST 85% of their income on healthcare, then YES you and everyone in your plan who pays a monthly premium is ordered to get a "rebate" check from the insurance company
IN FACT; over two BILLION dollars in "rebates" check has already been sent out
thanks to the ACA
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
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Fattard wrote: Curt,
MORE COUNTY CLINICS.
TheTool
Run by who...socialist?
You just continue to dig a deeper hole for yourself and considering all the donuts you eat, you will need it.
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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let them move.
funny thing is most probably won't. walk that talk or STFU.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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Fattrad, you are flat WRONG, again of course
Emergency treatment is NOT for "the flu" and non emergency as you stupidly assumed
From the Medical Treatment Act:
An emergency medical condition is defined as "a condition manifesting itself by acute symptoms of sufficient severity (including severe pain) such that the absence of immediate medical attention could reasonably be expected to result in placing the individual's health [or the health of an unborn child] in serious jeopardy, serious impairment to bodily functions, or serious dysfunction of bodily organs." For example, a pregnant woman with an emergency condition must be treated until delivery is complete, unless a transfer under the statute is appropriate.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
Though patients treated under EMTALA may not be able to pay or have insurance or other programs pay for the associated costs, they are legally responsible for any costs incurred as a result of their care under civil law. Patients whose advance intention it is to receive medical care and fail to pay cannot be held criminally liable unless they intentionally and knowingly provide false identifying information to dodge billing.[citation needed]
[edit]Non-covered medical conditions
Not all medical problems are covered by EMTALA, meaning that a person cannot assume that if they are ill, they will be treated. Specifically, EMTALA does not cover non-emergency situations. The hospital is allowed to determine that there is no emergency, using their normal screening procedure, and then refuse EMTALA treatment[1].
[edit]Examples of conditions not considered emergencies by courts or hospitals
A significant portion of emergency room visits are considered not emergencies as defined by EMTALA, and are therefore not covered[2]. The medical profession refers to these cases as "non-emergent".
A normal pregnancy delivery. In a case reviewed by courts, EMTALA did not cover the hospital stay[3].
Opioid withdrawal [4]
fever, elevated white blood cell count and a possible abscess [5]
If a patient is already in the hospital for another reason, and develops an emergency condition, EMTALA will similarly not cover the costs of care[6].
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:34pm PT
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I'm a little confused about the comment of the law being decided legally rather than politically
John,
I meant the SC properly held that the mandate was a tax, good legal reasoning by Roberts, not decided "politically" by the SC. The ACA will be a political football outside the court for decades, and properly so. In all fairness this should be decided in the legislature, not the courts.
I agree that the commerce clause argument was nonsense, it is disconcerting that four justices believed it applied. The commerce clause is a much abused catch-all. Very similar to what has happened to eminent domain over the years. "Public good" can now be a private country club.
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nature
climber
SoSlo, CO
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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DOW was down 125 before the decision.
down 25 at the end of the day.
bwwwhahahahahahaaaaaa
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 28, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
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Screw that. Business has been fighting single payer and yet doesn't want to provide benefits either.
So now they cry "the sky is falling" like they do when minimum wage goes up to what is still way under historical standards adjusted for inflation.
The sky was already falling and only the rich were protected from pieces of falling sky
Eventually business will be the ones calling for single payer
too many people in and out of jobs and too much cost cutting for health insurance to be teh province of only higher level wage earners
Peace
Karl
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Barbarian
Trad climber
New and Bionic too!
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
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Slowing the Taste-D_Lite growth is a good thing. Less obesity. Maybe he can start selling health foods.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
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And people stupidity are the main reason Romney can get votes at all.
After all, it was HIS PLAN this was based on.
Why don't people get that. IF HIS PLAN was so stupid, why did he give it to the people in his state?
If it wasn't stupid, why can't he support a good plan for the nation
and the little pussy is too scared to offer any concrete solutions or plans for ANYTHING
His whole campaign is just whining about government and Obama
He wants to do to government what he did at Bain Capital. Take over, lay everybody off, and make money for business at everybody elses expense
PEace
Karl
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 28, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
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NOW every lazy unemployed 300lb alcoholic smoking diabetic has the right to live to be 95-years-old
You're forgetting about the "Death Panels." No one's going to live past retirement age (unless they're independently wealthy).
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
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Karl,
Welcome to reality...
Curt
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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Just keep your eye on the state by state polls, fattrad. Romney has to put together a very, very unlikely winning streak in blue states to get to 270 electoral votes. Don't see how the SCOTUS ACA decision is going to help him do that...
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
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Roberts’ majority decision was the chief justice’s assertion: “We do not consider whether the act embodied sound policies. That judgment is entrusted to the Nation’s elected leaders. We ask only whether Congress has the power under the Constitution to enact the challenge provisions.”
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juar
Sport climber
socal
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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ya, she held a gun to their face
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Robb
Social climber
The other side of life
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
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Kind of gives a whole new meaning to "1%".
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Speigl
climber
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
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Roberts replaced Rehnquist. Miers was to replace O'Connor, but her nomination was withdrawn for Alito. Alito voted in the minority today.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
merced, california
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Jun 28, 2012 - 07:44pm PT
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Excuse me, I thought I was going to read the latest from the Avalanche Control Association on their strict policy about using only pedigreed Poodles in slope research.
This is a pretty slippery slope, all the same. Good thing our president
(long may he wave his own flag) cares enough to throw a rope to, shall we say, "the less successful" among his fellow citizens.
It's not like we can blame him for the lack of health care. Hillary had some things to say, too. Nobody bothered. Bill shrugged. Lesser George had to conduct his mission. And now you tightwads are gonna complain about basics.
Unbuhleevable! You all knew this was coming. And don't criticize the cyclical economy. Europe is full of immigrants as is California, larger than many countries in Europe.
A.F.T., USA gov't. I'm 100% behind the 99% here. Even though he's a pol, the prez has balls. Right thing, just too late for a lot of "the less successful."
My spleen feels better, Doc. There's a start.
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