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rwedgee
Ice climber
canyon country,CA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:10am PT
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Fact; the kid was stoned...he was buying skittles and a slurpy.
He had been suspended from school for having pot in his back pack.
Fact; he had the "noids" and attacked Zimmerman
Come on, stop so much speculating. Wait for all the details
Who the hell wears a hoodie in FL anyways ? I just got back from hunting in SE Texas where it was hot & humid....hoodie weather...NOT. If you're wearing a hoodie you're hiding.
My neighborhood watch has PD from various breakins listed as "black male, 20-35 yrs". The latest hit & run on a parked car at 2am "ealy model Cadillac, BM, hoodie" Seems to be the outfit of choice for pot smokin, residential burglary hit & run thugs. I know my neighborhood, I walk my dog a mile or 2 pretty much every day. If somethings out of place I'll stop and observe but I'm not attacking anybody. But if they come at me and say WTF you looking at ? It's on.
My car got broken into in my driveway between 12am & 4am. I had just come home from the range about 11;45pm and left for work with my shotgun at 4am to go hunting after work. Lucky bastards....I'd have solved the car break in problem. Neighbors trail camera....male in a hoodie(no race, no face).
California will soon step up & ban hoodies. My neighborhood will be safer.
So the Black Panthers offered $10K for Zimmerman ?? There was an ad here for a lost pet for that much. Are they afraid it's going to get garnished or something ? What a token. Isn't that illegal ??
Riots ? You'd better believe it. Who will be the target ? Or will it be an excuse to loot as it was in South Central LA(yes, I was there).
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 08:39am PT
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"Most people would want to attack a person that is stalking them with a gun"
huh? i'm not going to attack a person with a gun; i'm going to try to escape or create a disturbance to bring out witnesses
besides, there is no indication that martin knew zimmerman was armed; if z did have his gun drawn, it makes no sense that he would have allowed martin to attack
"Maybe you have to be from another country to really see how ridiculous law enforcement in the USA is in response to a murdered 17 year old black kid."
no, what's ridiculous is the presumption of guilt, which rejects the very foundation of our justice system; or maybe it's just your ignorance of the meaning of "murder", which has a specific definition and requires far more evidence than anyone on this site is privy to
also ridiculous is the presumption of racism just because the victim was a "17 year old black kid"; what if the races were reversed? would you assume the black shooter was racist for killing an hispanic man?
final ridiculous is the knee-jerk accusations of a conspiracy; your presumption of z's racism suggests that the police officers on the scene, the ems and coroner's personnel on the scene, and the da all conspired to cover up an obvious case of a hate crime--who's paranoid, now?
"a paranoid, pathetic, lunatic, loser"
an assessment based on a public record of such behavior? your inside information after speaking with z's friends and relatives or z himself? your years of investigative police work or psychological research?
or maybe you were subliminally influenced by the reflection in your computer screen
interesting that white people did not threaten violence when oj was acquitted or that he was never threatened after he was free and walking around living the high life...and that was AFTER all the evidence was released
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Mar 27, 2012 - 10:32am PT
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The whole thrust of this thread pisses me off...
It's called a "rush to judgement" without having ALL of the details in hand. It's a strictly emotional response, and I'm all for the courts dealing with it, and not a mob rush for a lynching.
None of us KNOW the deatils, but are responding to MSM "senstionalism."
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 27, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Duke Lacrose Team all over again.
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KaiPL
Mountain climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 27, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
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Florida "stand your ground" law:
3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
This seems pretty reasonable to me.
If you reasonably believe that you are in danger of great bodily harm or death, why would you not have the right to defend yourself?
As for the the Treyvon Martin case: If Zimmerman's account is true (and apparently witnesses and the physical evidence support his account) and Martin attacked him and Zimmerman was getting pummeled and having his head smacked against the pavement, it seems like Zimmerman was in reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm. Retreat doesn't seem to be an option in this circumstance, so "stand your ground" isn't applicable.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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tgt pictures of the young man looks just like my kid at those ages. The only difference is mine is white.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
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California will soon step up & ban hoodies. My neighborhood will be safer. No truer words were ever spoken. "People don't commit crimes; hoodies do".
That clinched it for me. He was wearing a hoody. Guilty as charged. No need to dispense capital punishment either since he's already dead. What an efficient system.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
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we're "idiots" because we admit we don't have all the evidence and can't make a judgment...and because we believe the vast majority of white people--including cops--are NOT racist...and we're willing to believe that a man with black friends publicly defending him might, actually, be a decent man who put himself (that much i'll concede) in a terrible situation with a tragic outcome
you know, i actually prefer being an "idiot"
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
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And it was done by a guy who in 2005 had an assault charge on a police officer and a domestic violence charge in 2007.
So what? You think that is as serious as being suspended from school for having an empty baggie? You libs have no sense of proportion!
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KaiPL
Mountain climber
Boulder, Colorado
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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It's funny that people assume that the police haven't been doing anything.
"Nothing has been done by the local police."
It's true that the police didn't immediately arrest Zimmerman. However, that's not the same as doing nothing.
A murder investigation takes time. Typically longer than 48 hours. Did the local police say that the case was closed? Did they say that they didn't plan on investigating? Not that I've heard or read.
People complain about the lack of "justice" because Zimmerman wasn't immediately thrown in jail. It's becoming more and more clear that the evidence that the police had access to doesn't warrant keeping Zimmerman in jail during the investigation.
Ultimately, if the evidence collected by the investigation is sufficient, it will go to a grand jury, who will decide whether or not criminal charges are warranted. That's how our justice system works, even though Al Sharpton, the Black Panthers, Sinead O'Conner and other luminaries want to take a shortcut to "justice" and throw Zimmerman in jail without a trial (or just kill him.)
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
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NOTHING had been done for decades now. Between the hamstringing of law enforcement by politicians and lawyers making a joke out of the system nothing is the norm, Let me understand you correctly, you're saying that the penal code, the executive branch (police, sheriffs, etc.) and the criminal courts system have been sitting idly by doing absolutely nothing for 30 yrs.? How do you explain our overcrowded prisons? How has law enforcement been hamstrung? How have lawyers been making a joke out of the system?
BTW, I don't actually expect you to provide a reasonable response to any of my questions. I'm writing more to let you know that the typical redneck 'they're taking over' crap doesn't really fly.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Mar 27, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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And this relates to Zimmerman/Martin how?
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 27, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
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The Tampa Bay Times takes the approach we have seen adopted by the Times -
there is no mention of Zimmerman's bloody nose or cut to the back of his
head. Lots of rumination about how children can avoid "looking suspicious",
but no advice along the lines of "don't punch strangers in the nose".
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(An account of the shooting with street maps and background of the players)
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 27, 2012 - 03:49pm PT
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Denny remeber that poor guy?
Do you remember Reginald Denny? Do you? Do you recall how he dealt with what happened?
Reginald Denny is one hell of a good man, and I doubt very much he'd appreciate his name being used against Martin.
cc: but no advice along the lines of "don't punch strangers in the nose".
Classic. I suppose you wouldn't fight back, you'd have been on your knees kissing Zimmerman's feet, crying and pleading for him not to plug you.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 27, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
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Fair enough, Ron.
BTW, yes, riots are stupid.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 27, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
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Did those guys burn their neighbors houses when they left to join???
Yes they did. They did not treat the conservatives of that day, who supported the king, very kindly. Read about it, it's very interesting stuff.
edit: In fairness to the patriots, the conservatives did want to hang them.
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Mar 27, 2012 - 04:57pm PT
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
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It is absolutely stunning how the modern day conservative is rushing to defend Zimmerman. A true conservative would have no sympathy for a wannabe cop who stalks a kid, causes a confrontation, loses a fist fight and kills the kid.....
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Mar 27, 2012 - 06:15pm PT
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I just hate how everyone is jumping to conclusions based on whatever side of the plane you like to sit on.
Left wing sees Zimmerman as a murderer.
Right wing sees Zimmerman as someone defending themselves.
Le' sigh, then you get the whole race issue bullsh*t.
He obviously profiled everyone who was black. Pretty racist.
Don't make it an issue about "oh the kid was black, no justice will be served because the shooter was white."
How about the issue of some kid is dead, and there isn't enough evidence to prove if it was self defense or not?
Be angry at the investigators..
The bruises on Zimmerman's face should be matched to the fists at the end of Martin's arms. Not hard at all, Riley i'm sure you've seen plenty of domestic assaults if you work in a hospital. They probably take pictures of those bruises real fast...
The investigators are just sitting on their d*cks waiting for something new to happen.
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