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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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is it fair to say that there are consequences to having freedom of speech
you're a good example.
The government doesn't really "sponsor" things in the way most people use that word. Do you mean that the government would pay for everyone's birth control needs?
You lose right there, bro....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Steve, I have no idea what you're talking about. Lose? Huh? Lose what?
I just don't understand what you're saying, and am asking for some clarification.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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I was referring to losing the argument.
Maybe I meant loose? I dunno
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.
So you don't like your activists being called slut anymore than we like being called tea-bagger? What a surprise.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Survival - it wasn't publicly funded contraception. The issue is whether private employers can refuse to cover contraception in the private health care plans they offer employees.
Inasmuch as this is already true in many states (supported by many Repubs, such as ROMNEY!), this is pretty much settled.
In fact, it gave religious organizations an out WHICH STATES HAD NOT UNDER REPUGS.
And sorry to say for your side, it WAS viewed that way, BY WOMEN.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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I was referring to losing the argument.
I'm not even having an argument. I just didn't understand what you were trying to say, or where you were going with it, so I hoped you'd explain.
Maybe I'd want to argue about it then, or maybe not, but until you clarify it's moot.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Ghost, baby, this should be a non-issue. The Feds should f*#k off.
The States can differ.
And insurance companies should have free-will.
Like Rush,,,,man.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I don't understand why Obama is forcing insurance companies to cover contraception, except as a partisan, political, election-year scheme to win re-election.
Chaz, there are many, many people in this country who are unhappy that medical care does not focus on PREVENTION, and instead focuses on treating AFTER THE FACT.
One part of the healthcare reform is to make preventive care more accessible.
Part of the reason for doing that is it DECREASES COST OF INSURANCE.
Access to highly effective birth control reduces the number of unwanted children---you oppose that?
It will reduce the number of abortions--you oppose that?
It will reduce the cost of healthcare, a HUGE problem (pregnancies and childbirth, and child healthcare is a LOT more expensive than pills)
And it in one way supports PREVENTION---you oppose that?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I saw the video of her original little speech a couple of days ago.
$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day.
When did she have time for law school?
Typical "attack the advocate" instead of the issue.
You don't know SH*T about her sexual activities, but don't let that stop you from attacking her. She may be a lesbian for all you know.
But keep it up. PLEEZE! We have Norton's bet to protect.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I saw the video of her original little speech a couple of days ago.
$3000 for two years worth of condoms at a buck a piece works out to 4 times a day.
When did she have time for law school?
I also LOVE that men are making decisions about what the appropriate birth control should be that women use.
Yep, women LOVE that sort of decision-making on their behalf, so they don't have to strain those brains with thinking........
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Does a Jehovah's Witness have the liberty to deny his ten year old child a needed blood transfusion as a matter of the exercise of religious freedom?
If the child dies is that simply an unfortunate side bar subordinated to the unheeded need for religious liberty?
...OR DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO INTERVENE WHEN RELIGION ABANDONS REASON TO THE DETRIMENT OF SOCIETY AND THE INDIVIDUAL?
Difficult questions to be sure!
But who can deny the fact that a woman's freedom is directly tied to her self evident right AND NEED TO CONTROL HER OWN BODY.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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How do you spend $3000 on birth control in 24 months?
Certainly that would be the top number. It is easy to choose cheap alternatives, but that does not apply to all.
consider that there are at least a couple of doctor visits involved, and lab tests involved.
yes, cheap birth control pills are cheap, like $5/mo. But some women do not tolerate them, and have to take specialized brands, and they can be expensive, like $75/mo, probably more now.
I've had women that I had to try 5-6 brands on, before finding one that was tolerable. the ones that didn't work go into the trash.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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too bad they didn't have the "morning after pill" for Rush's momma...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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TGT? Rush also asked for porn videos from her if she was receiving public funding.
Are you in for them too?
Actually, it was for insurance covering it. So anyone getting anything from insurance should understand their obligation.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Riley W- Her bio is of some interest and supports the theory. Btw you
should remove your Liberal tinted glasses when reading.
Fluke
A revealing degree from Cornell and
some affiliations with groups that she may have started herself
to flesh out her resume, perhaps with a total membership of 'one' person -and published from her notebook?
...According to a bio on Georgetown's website, Fluke's professional background is in domestic violence and human trafficking advocacy. At Georgetown law, she is the former president of Law Students for Reproductive Justice, an editor for the Journal of Gender and the Law, and vice president of the Women's Legal Alliance. She has a bachelor's degree in Feminist, Gender & Sexuality studies from Cornell.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Rush is an idiot, those of you who think he makes any difference belong in his grouping.
Rush represents the face of the Repubs for those who don't watch anything, even him.
He gives independents, ESPECIALLY women, a sense of how they are thought of.
It wasn't just this woman. It is clear that his camp thinks ANY woman who has had sex out of wedlock is a "whore". That probably includes most mothers, sisters, and daughters. Most women in America.
And she was NOT testifying about HER sex life, but that becomes what she is attacked for.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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If she's f*#king and we're paying for it,
What does that make her?
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Wait! I thought you were of the party that wanted to GET OUT OF PEOPLES BEDROOM???
Why the hell is it any of your business.
And since a WHOLE LOT of American women, including MARRIED fit your definition....
What word DO you want to use to describe her?
(remembering that she did not say she was doing EITHER)
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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^(edit: response to corniss chopper)So she has a very focused area of interest, and that makes her an agent provocatuer?
You Liberals are definitely feeling the pain over this round. By tomorrow we'll know who paid -agent provocateur- Fluke to attend Georgetown with instructions to mess with the religious freedoms the Constitution guarantee us all.
So you don't like your activists being called slut anymore than we like being called tea-bagger? What a surprise.
Do you guys realize that you are ACTUALLY suggesting that this person somehow MANIPULATED Rush Limbaugh into calling her those things? Was there any uproar about her testimony before LIMBAUGH made those hideous comments?
And if the woman WAS chosen to speak because of her strong viewpoint - one that appears to be well-researched, and whom likely can provide sources which back up the numbers and examples she provided - that makes her somehow less legitimate? What credentials WOULD she have to supply to make her acceptable? Does it make NO sense to you that here educated perspective makes her am APPROPRIATE choice as a speaker?
My god, some of you people are frightening.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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What Limbaugh said, and what some here are parroting, is a textbook example of ad hominem argument. You have nothing intelligent to say about the actual issue, so you attack the other person.
The Republican party seems increasingly likely to go down to a flaming wreck this November, utterly bankrupt of ideas, leadership or decency.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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How could she say this?
Riley, you just don't understand. This is all part of a vast conspiracy of... Uh, I'm not sure just who all is involved, but it's a vast conspiracy against American freedom and against Jesus. And it's spearheaded by an undercover Muslim terrorist who, despite not being an American citizen, has become President of the United States and is now working to tear down everything the Founding Fathers stood for.
I don't understand it all either, but Bluering says this woman is evil and that giving her access to birth control is somehow going to lead to...
Well, he chose not to tell me where it would lead, but if he says it's evil, then who are we to argue?
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