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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:26pm PT
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Drain the ocean - That will learn em.
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
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When I retire I wanna be a pirate in that sea.
Some shoe polish to the face and I'll be good a Somaili poser.
One big ship and I'll be able to retire.
So should we pre-emptively deal with this scum?
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Douglas Rhiner
Mountain climber
Truckee , CA
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Feb 24, 2011 - 10:53pm PT
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Arrrrggghhhh Captn Werner, I'll be sailing with thee.
And you will be going down, six feet, as well.......
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jstan
climber
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Feb 24, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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The US could act in coordinated fashion with other countries in the area and with our allies. I
know we don't do that, but it is an option that would cost us only a little of our national pride.
Eh?
I think it was Anders who pointed out convoys work and allow force concentration at minimal
cost. The four Americans decided to leave their convoy and paid dearly for it. As for sensor
fusion in the area, carriers have war rooms built to assemble real time force evaluation over the
entire earth using remote sonar, satellite surveillance in a half dozen passbands at least plus
drone images. Here is a satellite image of a 1000' supertanker off Somalia from a vendor
satellite. A fifty foot boat is a good 5% of this vessel's size. Easily detected.
The resolution of US reconnaissance satellites, highly classified (National Technical Means), is
assuredly much higher than that of this picture. If the vessel is moving, time based image
differencing increases detectability even more. Wide area force evaluation software has to be
highly automated. The speed of parallel processed image analysis is mind boggling. Satellites
from several nations have been parked over this area so any area needed can be imaged real
time. My guess is even some objects below the surface of the water can also be detected and
imaged. Hovering dones can be vectored in to neutralize threats on a moment's notice.
We have had the tools all along to handle this without getting bent out of shape. I would expect
we will get serious about it now.
However before this is put into gear we need to be negotiating for the release of present
hostages. If dollars are dancing in the pirates' eyes when the cash flow is cut off, those hostages
will become too valuable to kill.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 24, 2011 - 11:18pm PT
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I was pretty surprised to see that particular episode of South Parkfrom the recent wayback machine, rerun last night.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 25, 2011 - 12:00am PT
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The Somalians came up on the short end of the trickle down economics stick...they need more sympathy not violence..
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 25, 2011 - 01:58am PT
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Dr. F wrote:
Bluering
Who is the enemy Now??
The Right Wing SCOTUS installed Bush as President, even thought the Vote count would have made Gore the President, that is Undemocratic.
I'd like to clear that up.
Independent recounts after the election showed that Bush would have won under most plausible scenarios, although there was one scenario that would have favored Gore.
I hear it as liberal dogma that Gore really "won" the election.
That's just not true. But don't take my word for it, take PBS's.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/media_watch/jan-june01/recount_4-3.html
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 25, 2011 - 02:16am PT
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jstan, unfortunately we don't have the resources in the Indian Ocean one would like and even if we did you can't acquire, track, and monitor the behavior of every outboard and fishing boat. You could retask a fleet of milsats but the analysis cycle would still not be able to deduce intent in a timely manner - by the time you detected track and proximity well enough to deduce intent the deed would be accomplished before you could intervene.
I'm telling you guys there is simply no technological or military solution to the problem that qualifies on cost, timeliness, and deterrent - the only viable answer is hardening the targets. And while you can convoy small private and low value targets as Anders said, high value targets like oil tankers can support on board or escort resources on an individual tanker basis.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Feb 25, 2011 - 05:41am PT
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Some reasonable dialogue except for:
"My plan would work, no one likes seeing their mothers, wifes, children ripped apart. It's horrible, terrible and almost unthinkable, but it worked in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki."
Dude you lost any respect I had for you with that statement (ya I know you could give a sh*te)...
yer twisted...
..."It's horrible, terrible and almost unthinkable"
does not excuse your f8ck-up mind
"I'll have to check with my friend Capt. Donald Nelson USN Ret, former deputy assistant Secretary of Defense. I think he would go with my solution, it is the cheapest and most effective.
Why don't you give 'em some blankets with smallpox while you're at it...?
or...
Throw them in the gas chambers so they don't reproduce too-
sick motha
it's always you and your "friend"
who the hell is impressed beside you?
evil indeed...
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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I've seen suggestions on other sites on the internet intimating that it isn't a matter of "simple piracy," but is the Jihad in another guise. All of these self-styled pirates are Islamic, and the couple distributing Bibles---well, go figure...
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Mar 14, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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For over 400 years of recorded history, piracy on the high seas was punishable by hanging. On. The. Spot. Why are these F*#@%rs being taken in to "be tried?" A ship's captain has full authority to hold a trial. On The. Spot. Arrrgh, matey! hang 'em.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 14, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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For over 400 years of recorded history, piracy on the high seas was punishable by hanging. On. The. Spot. Why are these F*#@%rs being taken in to "be tried?" A ship's captain has full authority to hold a trial. On The. Spot. Arrrgh, matey! hang 'em.
As cruel as that sounds, I would tend to agree. But I would just allow ships to fire on them.
No need to get sadistic and hang 'em over the ship as a message. Just make it very public that pirates WILL BE FIRED ON, DIRECT FIRE.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Mar 23, 2011 - 11:34am PT
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Well there you have it.
All the pirates need to do is a makeover; no longer pirates they are now Somali Sea Shepherds out to clear their waters so that the endangered (and imaginary) mystery blow-hole whale can make a comeback.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 12, 2011 - 11:27am PT
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Well, the Rooskies set their captured pirates free too. Course they took
the pirates' motor away before setting them 'free' 700 miles from shore.
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