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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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It's disheartening how political correctness precipitates blindness to the obvious.
Elton John is too old to be given a precious new born child while younger, more needful but less socially entitled couples are without. Yes, he's very rich, famous, has a house in the Hills of Beverley, knighted by the Queen of the pudding race...(not to mention commander of the Narcissist Navy)....and he can throw million dollar parties and dress the child with 500 pair of linen pants. Can he give what the child needs most...emotional care for twenty(+) years?
He's on record, in the past, stating his lack of desire to become a father. Now, in the evening of his life he becomes serious about fatherhood?
Unmerited parenthood... the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion can hold hands down the Yellow Brick Road... for FORTY years of their adult lives... and no one bars them from the gates of Oz. But now, as seniors, they get keys to the orphanage and maternity ward, too?
Enertainers and the monied ultimately get what they desire...whether it's a rare bird, Sumatran tiger...or a human infant. For the child's sake...let's hope Elton's fatherhood is more than a haute mond whim.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I often ask kids with gay, single, or old parents "Since you don't have an optimum familiy unit, wouldn't you rather just not exist?"
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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I often ask kids with dead or missing parents...wouldn't you rather have one...or even two.
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Dick_Lugar
Trad climber
Indiana (the other Mideast)
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Jennie...Elton John's partner, David Furnish is 48 yrs. old..ZING! And we don't know anything about either his of John's extended family who could step in if something happened to both parents, which, as we know happens to even "heterosexual" couples.
Next lame excuse to deny "gay" couples a child please...
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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..Darn! I knew there was a P.C. reason why the editors of the Chronicle and Sentinel wouldn't print my letter...there’s still the Idaho papers…
...yes, we want a world where Spongebob Squarepants and Patrick Starfish can live under the same rock without Squidward alerting the Easter Island Police...and Sandy Cheeks and Tina Tuna can share a Crab patty at the Chum Bucket Restaurant without Sheldon Plankton setting off tsunami....
...but I must have missed that rerun where sixty three year old Jed and Mr. Drysdale exchanged rings by the banks of the cement pond...and Doogie Houser M.D. conceived a stunt baby for them...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apparently I need to get out more - I've never heard of any of the people Jennie just referred to.
The last century has been a fortunate one for us North Americans, or at least those living in Canada and the US. But for most humans, for most of human existence, you were lucky to live to be an adult, and if you did, were lucky to have two living parents by then. Historically, "Til death do us part" meant at the best 20 to 30 years, and often much less, particularly given maternal mortality in childbirth.
The real possibility that Elton will croak, after a life of dissipation, before his son grows up doesn't really seem relevant.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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I'll bet a kid would be better off with two dads, than with two moms.
Just sayin'.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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Matt,
I don't know about her kid, but I can imagine that it could be LESS confusing now. If your father wishes he were a woman- that could be confusing.
And I don't think any gender or persuasion has a lock on producing kids with issues.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Gays should not be allowed to have abortions.
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Fairfax, CA
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You know what they say:
"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament."
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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@Jay-
t'was sarcasm on my part
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I BETTER NOT READ ABOUT GAYS IN THIS THREAD
JUST TALKIN BOUT GAYS MAKES MORE OF THEM.
SOON THEY'LL HAVE AN ARMY.
THATS THE LAST THING WE NEED, AN ARMY OF GAYS, DOING SITUPS AND WATCHING 'HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER.'
disclaimer - I am anti-anti gay. Bluering, I fully support your right to go suck a c*#k :)
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Homer
Mountain climber
742 Evergreen Terrace
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Ghost - it's important for kids to grow up with a strong racial identity. It's a lot easier for that to happen if the kid has a parent who is racially similar to them. Especially black kids - there are a lot of negative messages in our society about them racially, and it's good for them to have parents / peers to notice and fight against that and bolster their racial pride.
White people usually don't even notice. For instance, although a black person is 220 times more likely to be the victim of a hate crime than a white person, here on ST we have one report of a hate crime by a presumably non-white person against a white person (http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1345799/Despicable-act-of-racism-by-inbred-goons-makes-me-sick);, the attackers are described as "inbred" (their breeding is the problem?), we advocate that they be beaten with baseball bats (better than lynching?), and then pat ourselves on the back for not noticing race. 220 times more likely for a black person to be attacked, but what image do we get?
My kids are racially different than me and my wife and each other. Sounds like a bunch of other kids here on ST too.
I'm just saying that it's an issue for adoption that we do our best to manage, same as gay parents. Sometimes we do a good job, sometimes not great. Same for all of us.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Seriously, get over it people, if two people love each other and love a child and protect that child and nurture that child, what does it matter?
That's a lot of "if's" and "and"....good job bumping this thread too!
IF only people like you saw things my way AND, we agreed on sh#t, AND I could reproduce asexually, AND I just loved that person, AND I could be married to my guyfriend, THEN the world would stop hanging gays in Iran.
IF only....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Ghost - it's important for kids to grow up with a strong racial identity. It's a lot easier for that to happen if the kid has a parent who is racially similar to them.
Seems to me there are both pluses and minuses to that. Obviously we don't want kids to grow up believing that their race -- whatever it may be -- is in any way inferior to any other to any other race.
But "a strong racial identity" implies strong separation of races. Personally, I think the world would be a far better place if all feelings of racial identity were abandoned. We don't look at eye color, or hair color as being of any importance, why should skin color be any different?
I'm just saying that it's an issue for adoption that we do our best to manage, same as gay parents. Sometimes we do a good job, sometimes not great. Same for all of us.
Amen to that.
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Muddud
Social climber
the Cruz of Santa, CA
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my (somewhat timid) two cents, i see no difference in children being brought up by gay parents and children being brought up by straight parents. i work with kids all day long and i've seen more ill-adjusted kids as a result of a messed up "trad family" life than i've seen messed up kids of "homo parents". probably simply out of the fact that to BE a parent and a homosexual in this country, it's a long and enduring process that tests your willingness and dedication to being a parent in the first place, so the few who have stuck with the process are already in the right headspace to be a proper parent. with that being the sole difference, i can't find any others. both seem to function exactly the same.
frankly, the liberal vs. conservative argument on gay marriage i feel has been beaten a little thin. just as there's zero productivity in flaming at liberal supporters of gay marriage and rights because of one's moral stance, i feel like blatant "you're wrong"ing at more conservative non-supporters just pushes this disagreement further into the abyss where it'll never get settled.
when can we start agreeing to simply live and let be? i'll let you guys hate us all you want and i can go be gay somewhere else, and i won't hate ya back, i promise.
or instead of marriage, which is supposedly a religious constitution (although in america, who can tell the difference?), can us mostly non-catholic gays settle and be happy with civil unions? i mean, i'd be down.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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I'm surprised no one has bitched about the one real valid reason these 2 shouldn't have kids.
"FAMOUS ROCK STAR" says it all. And all the bullshit that goes with that. Think of it. This kid will grow up rich as hell (yeahhhh!) in a fishbowl surrounded by media with no privacy (Boooo Hiisss) on the front page of every tabloid in London everytime he farts a brown grease spot instead of gas. Poor kid. So he hit the lottery, but it isn't all jackpot.
Elton John himself, use to be a big time rockstar type massive drug user who use to have severe depressions and big time suicidal moments. Like a lot of us, as we age we all mellow: hopefully the age mellowed him out too and the media leaves the lil tyke alone as he grows up. (doubtful on the 2nd count)
In either case - it's not your call and it won't get decided on the internet. Where were all you haters when it was really needed anyway? Ie, when Michael Jackson was thinking of having kids?
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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It's so foreign to me that people can not only be bigots, but can be ok with being a bigot. How can you justify something like that? I guess it takes LOTS of denial.
I don't hate bigots; I pity them. But I do think it's important to stand up to them. They are free to feel that way, and I'm free to tell them what I think about it.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Rox,
I used to think you were just a delusional as#@&%e that needed to get his meds adjusted, but now it becomes appallingly clear that you are just a deeply conflicted man who cannot come to terms with his deep and abiding homosexual desires.
Just do it Rox; suck a dick. You know that you want one. All that time reading about that "Deviant Homosexual Behavior" has got you all worked up. For once in your sad little life quit talking sh#t, embrace who you are and learn to swallow. No one here will think any less of you.
ncrockclimber,
based upon ROX's posts i am guessing he is a spitter...but hey, i agree with you he ought to embrace his inner self...
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