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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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um, the wind Rivers? Jackson wyo? Wisconsin? Michigan? Florida? they break in regularly in those places...
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HighTraverse
Social climber
Bay Area
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:01pm PT
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Two-Thirds of Idaho Wolf Carcasses Examined
Have Thousands of Hydatid Disease Tapeworms
Ummmmm.....can you cite any wild species that doesn't have various intestinal pests?
How about Black Bears?
Roundworms (Toxascaris sp.) were the most common endoparasite in New York, occurring in 31% of bears sampled. In the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, 90% of bears were infected with the larval form of Dirofilaria ursi, a roundworm related to the dog heartworm. In New York, 46% of bears harbored this parasite.
 from Massachusetts Division of Fisheries and Wildlife
Time to destroy all the Black Bears in New York State and the Great Smokies.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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well guys,
i guarantee you that i camp out in a hell of a lot more off the beaten path areas than you do, and like i said, i did not KNOW of any areas where that happened.
what that tells me is that , yes, other areas need to police cars and bears. and that if this is a reflection on hikers and climbers then they need to get thier sh#t together on what they do with regards to food storage.
AC callin me cityboy is like RJ callin me uneducated and is pure ignorance...
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HighTraverse
Social climber
Bay Area
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
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Hawkeye, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you.
I was responding to your ridiculous statement about Californians and how they're responsible for destroying the Grizzly Bear, therefore have no standing to discuss wild habitat management. I don't believe you were being ironic.
I listen to both sides when the arguments are sensible and based on facts. I ignore or refute nonsense, hyperbole and slander when presented as arguments.
Wolves are certainly top predators.
So are the mountain lions that frequent my neighborhood.
Flame away.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:12pm PT
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BTW,
i am still wondering WTF is up with Californians with an EXTINCT bear on their flag tellin Montanans and others what to so with their wolves. talk about f*#king hipocrisy.
introduce several packs into yosemite and then start restricting access and gettin rid of everyone that lives in the valley, thats my idea, whats yours?
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throw in some GRIZZ in yosemite while you are at it. next thing you know it will be impactin you then you can pretend to have the answers...
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:14pm PT
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i guarantee you that i camp out in a hell of a lot more off the beaten path areas than you do,
I truly doubt that, Hawk, at least in my own case. But if true, Um that may be the reason you don't know about the bear problem that has swept the rest of the country, while you were out in the wilds, with an internet connection....
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:21pm PT
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Play along with the rest of us and answer simple questions, AC...
"And precisely/exactly how are you "familiar" with this issue, sir Crowley--inquiring minds want to know...
Know some ranchers with killed livestock, been in the ranching game yourself, investigated wolf predation? AND how do you know more than any of us ('cept for telling us you do) ?
Certainly, an expert as yourself can quantify YOUR opinions."--me
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
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lets see, off the beaten path in bear and wolf country in BC, WA, ID, OR, MT this summer alone. no other cars where i park usually. no other campers. you figer it out AC.
internet connection? you f*#ks are funny. check it out i am not on here as much as you guys.
blow hard AC? thats a good one coming from someone so full of sh#t as you.....i am truly honored.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:24pm PT
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simple fact is i am calling for MODERATION from all the special interest groups. BUTT we all know this is not good sport, nor is it good politics. therefore we argue without seeing the other points of view and we all end up being f*#ked for it.
some morons will never figure this out.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:26pm PT
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AC, the only facts you have shared is that you are a f*#king blowhard moron. but in case we are wrong share some other facts to consider....
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:30pm PT
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The question(s) to you Crowley are simple and don't need a subjective internet search...
A quality human being should be able to back their claims--OR admit they are full of wind, I do both.
Do you?
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:30pm PT
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Searching.......
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:36pm PT
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AC,
if wolves and grizz aint a problem, then how come cali does not introduce them?
simple question. guess what the answer is! your politicians and your people in power, and you recreationalists dont want the hassles of dealing with it. but hagn your head proud with the extinct bear on your flag that makes a hell of a lot of sense dont it blowhard.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:43pm PT
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Wiping out the CA grizzly led to several benefits. Ditto for the wolves here.
Humans in a way have filled the wolf's niche in our modern world of
animal husbandry. They are not needed where humans live.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:46pm PT
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Tell us all the answers to (y)our questions AC...
I can re-post them if the wine is kicking in:-)
edit: Your blow-hardiness is starting to show, Matthew--time to answer up.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 15, 2010 - 11:50pm PT
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ic CC, so Montana and ID should have killed more elk....go it
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:07am PT
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look...
Y'all are going to have to learn to live with these animals.
Yes, Mr Crowley, …as long as the Rocky Mountains are vassal states to high handed aristocrats and bromide bureaucrats in the east…and cavalier tourism from the southwest, we’ll continue learning to live with what they inflict.
…just wondering why they couldn’t impose animals of the subspecies native to the western Great Lakes states who happen to be of the same subspecies as our native wolves…or better still, inflate and enhance the native animals that still existed in small numbers in central Idaho wilderness and the (Montana/ Idaho)Continental Divide.
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edejom
Boulder climber
Butte, America
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:15am PT
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C'mon Jennie, quit throwing out questions that need to be answered--THAT is not Crowley's style, it is evident that he can't account for his proffers.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 16, 2010 - 12:19am PT
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Wolves have never been a part of California's ecosystem actually; except for the desert portions and some of the East side.
jennie, mr AC as he is respectfully known on taco, is one of those blatherers, who as i stated earlier cannot try and unnnnerstan that working through issues involves seeing all sides.
its, cool. californias flag is the greatest sign of hipocracy on issue like this......where much of thert population says do what i say not what we have or are doing.
you poor souls in ID will have to get with the program. understand that those in population centers that travel on the weekends to wild areas want to take nice pics of wolves, bears and other furry critters but those in the population centers know way better that you in ID about how to manage your immediate problems. you idahoans need to drink the koolaid and understand....
you see above mr AC, aknowledges that CA had wolves, but as mr. CC says, they killed off all teh food of the wolves who used to live there. so they dont need wolves anymore.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2010 - 12:19am PT
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I'm officially withdrawing from the conversation and going to bed..spattered by all the bull $hit that's coming from the King of Trollers, AC!
If AC had lost as much money as the folks here in La Prele Valley have collectively, to the predations of two wolves over the past year, he'd be living in a nice cardboard box, hoping it doesn't rain.
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