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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Nov 11, 2010 - 10:56pm PT
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Haha, you reposted the article and told us how much you learned from Madsen and how brave he was. You must have thought it was insightful.
Are you done with the Chinese submarine ICBM thing?
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 11, 2010 - 10:57pm PT
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Yup. Just a jet full of happy vacationers coming back from Hawaii.
But a Pegasus could have been launched from an L-1011 at 40,000ft further out and way over the Earth's curvature so the helicopter video would
seem to 'see' it climbing from the ocean.
Of course we'd see the rocket flame also. No flame no rocket.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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Apparently in the intelligence world there is good info and there is disinfo also.
"Apparently"?
Are you just waking up to this fact?
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:00pm PT
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MSM is a great supplement.
Mono,
You assume too much.
I'm certain I'm not the only one that finds the irony in that statement.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:05pm PT
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Best I can do is this, Nature:
Flying over the Mexican Border. He flew around me in circles until he satisfied his suspicions, or got bored. Or dizzy.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:08pm PT
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3 things I'm very confident about. It was a missile, and the DoD/Pentagon knows what it was no matter who shot it off. Now they are spinning the story through the MSM.
So the best "they" could come up with at the DoD is, "we don't know"?
That was their cover story?
If "they" wanted to cover up a missile launch, no matter who launched it,
it would have imediately been called a "test" firing, blah blah blah.
No Flame, no rocket.
Klimmer, Watch a couple actual missile/rocket launches and you will see the difference.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:22pm PT
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Haha, you repeated the article and told us how much you learned from Madsen and how brave he was. You must have thought it was insightful.
Are you done with the Chinese submarine ICBM thing?
Nature,
Yes, I still trust him a great deal. Ans yes, he is very brave to do what he does telling truth to power. I still think it is very insightful article, much more than it was a jet contrail spin. He could be right. I do not know.
I can and have already proved it was going NW. For it to be a jet contrail and to keep with that story then it has to be coming from West to East, but the way the exhaust/vapor trail is lite up by the Sun it is back-lite and going up at a WNW to NW direction. Follow my argument from before. Has to be, since the Cirrus cloud below it is fully lit evenly with alpenglow, yet the exhaust/vapor plume is hi-lighted on the edges by the Sun but the central column is dark in shadow. That means it is back-lit and therefore going up and then NW. And it clearly is higher and behind the cirrus cloud.
We also see the bright emitted specular flashes of light from the rocket engine. For you to discount this, then you are not being a good observer when watching the videos from the KCAL helicopter.
The MSM (now) does not want you to think it was going up and then to the NW in our atmosphere, because aircraft do not take off out of the ocean going at about 70 degrees relative to the horizon. But that is what it was doing. I've already proved that and others have said so also who witnessed it. Therefore it couldn't be an jet aircraft.
Also zoom into the GOES IR Animated loop. You can see exactly where it took off in the ocean West of Pt. Conception way out in the Pacific Ocean. You can clearly see the exhaust plume and where it drifts afterwards.
Do we have an airport out there we are unaware of?
Nope.
If it was coming toward the US from the East, then where did it go? It just disappeared as it flew over the US. Wow, this jet even has stealth technology. The contrail just stops and the aircraft just disappears. Amazing but true incidents in aviation!
(Sarcasm)
Edit:
By the way, you all assume this has to be a large rocket or missile. It doesn't have to be and it probably isn't. Big enough to leave a nice exhaust/vapor trail for show and a rather slow ascent. When they first talked about it, the idea that it was an amateur rocket was mentioned. Amateur no, but small and still big enough to leave a display, well yea sounds about right.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:24pm PT
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Really Klimmer, the vid stopped, so how do we know it just disappeared or not?
And you cannot say the ir loop shows where the object started. That's just where the conditions were right for a contrail.
And you should know from your Chemtrail internet 'research' that contrails can start and stop fairly abruptly depending on atmospheric conditions.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:25pm PT
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It landed in Phoenix. and a lot of people with tans and bellies full of Ahi got off. I think they said "Aloha" to the gate attendant.
Have you ever noticed that the truth usually is revealed first and then the back-tracking and spin begin, Roswell, 9-11, and now this . . .
No actually... I've noticed the exact opposite. JFK and the lone assassin as a rather perfect case in point. Or do you think that "he" alone did it?
Edit: Jon Stewart nailed it. It's a skycock!
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:51pm PT
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Have you ever noticed that the truth usually is revealed first and then the back-tracking and spin begin, Roswell, 9-11, and now this . . .
No actually... I've noticed the exact opposite. JFK and the lone assassin as a rather perfect case in point. Or do you think that "he" alone did it?
Roswell, flying saucer first, then weather balloons, then secret parachute test with crash test dummies etc. etc.
9-11, even the MSM on 9-11 was reporting all the secondary blasts and explosions even while they were happening, and also suggesting an explosion happened in the bottom of each of the WTC towers, then the spin and avoidance of all the personal eye-witnesses began. They buried all the reports of the secondary explosions and didn't even allow it into the 9-11 Omission Report.
JFKs assassination was no doubt several gunmen, not a lone gunman. The hit was carried out by TPTB. When it first happened, they were immediately searching for more than one gunman. Then they found Oswald, then the magic bullet on the gurney was found and the spin had begun. Once Oswald was permanently silenced, then it was forever a lone nut who took out JFK.
The World knows that it was a conspiracy. Oswald did not act alone. It has been proven time and time again.
Now this missile. Reported first as a missile, which is clearly the truth but embarrassing, and now they are working hard to spin it as a jet contrail.
Truth does seem to be revealed first, in some small way, when it first happens. Then the cover-up, the spin, the lies begin.
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
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they had nice tans too.
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Nov 11, 2010 - 11:57pm PT
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Glenn -
We also see the bright emitted specular flashes of light
you did likely get this one thing right (although by accident and "emitted" and "specular" do not really fit together this way)!
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TomCochrane
Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
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Nov 12, 2010 - 12:17am PT
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Is it so incredibly difficult to admit uncertainty? Do we have to be obsessed with pretending we know? Does it have to be weird to just gather information and suspend judgment until the information adds up to some inevitable conclusion?
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nature
climber
Tuscon Again! India! India! Hawaii! LA?!?!
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Nov 12, 2010 - 12:28am PT
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and then invoke Occam's razor
why bother? space ships and aliens are a lot more fun to think about.
this story will die in the next two days and only fools will continue to talk about it.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 12, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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CONFIRMED: US NAVY WAS TESTING MISSILE LAUNCHES OFF THE COAST OF CALIFORNIA
http://www.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/NAV_PUBS/UNTM/201045/NtM_45-2010.pdf
No. 45
6 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
NOTICE TO MARINERS
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
See pg. 55:
434/10(18).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 427/10.
(251001Z OCT 2010)
SSSSHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I have my sources.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
climber
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Nov 12, 2010 - 02:37am PT
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Nice links.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 12, 2010 - 09:37am PT
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Ed,
Good work on plotting the coordinates on Google Earth.
You beat me to it.
About the dates . . .
The cover says . . .
No. 45
6 NOVEMBER 2010
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
NOTICE TO MARINERS
Published Weekly by the
National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
Prepared Jointly with the
National Ocean Service and U.S. Coast Guard
Why would they publish launch dates for October when the publication cover clearly says it was published 6 November 2010?
Yes, I'm aware of ZULU time (aka UT or GMT). The 4pm - 6pm would cover it.
Personally, I think they knew all along. A fun PsyOps to do by the US Navy and DoD/Pentagon on the unsuspecting American public.
Just how long before the American public knows we are lying and spinning it on MSM? What can we get away with and for how long? HHHHhhhhhhhmmmmmm let's see . . .
Well, 4 - 5 days. Actually MSM is still spinning it.
THE PENTAGON, Nov. 10, 2010
"Missile Mystery" Laid to Rest
Pentagon "Pretty Confident" the Condensation Trail was Caused by an Aircraft. A Contrail Watcher was Certain it was
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/eveningnews/main7042324.shtml
Uh. Oh. A contrail watcher was certain it was . . . this isn't going to go good. They are now gonna prove those who watch contrails do not know what they heck they are looking at . . .
Lol.
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