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apogee
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Jul 26, 2010 - 01:37pm PT
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"You're wrong, the Repubs didn't want the debt to grow. "
Well you know what, fattrad? The Repugs have lost all credibility on fiscal responsibility after three Repug POTUS's and their spending & record deficits. It is transparently clear that the opposition to that bill was solely based on the GOP's 'obstructionism at all costs' strategy, and has nothing to do with 'not wanting the debt to grow'.
You can bet your arse that if the Repugs were in control right now, and the bill in question was related to some (another) military spending boondoggle, the issue of 'not wanting the debt to grow' would never come up.
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apogee
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Jul 26, 2010 - 01:47pm PT
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"Well, you're wrong."
Why? Because I tend to vote Democrat, and the title of this thread is the explanation?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 26, 2010 - 01:51pm PT
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 01:59pm PT
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"...but the past doesn't matter,"
So fattrad, let's just assume for a moment that Obama came into office on 1/20/09, and said, 'Gee, this whole financial system if completely fecked!', and implemented dramatic, drastic spending reductions in areas of greatest import: entitlement programs, military spending, etc. And let's say that HR never made it to the table in the first place, and extending unemployment benefits was as much as priority as conservationism was for Cheney.
And since we all know that the monstrous Shrub-deficit was never going to be fixed by simply cutting spending, he increased taxes in several key areas.
All in an effort to immediately and directly address the monstrous economic disaster that was handed to him, and all in an effort to be truly fiscally responsible.
Do you really think the Repugs would have been happy with such a strategy? More importantly do you really think the citizens would have been happy with such a strategy?
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2010 - 02:37pm PT
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What have we learned in 2,065 years?
"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."
Cicero - 55 BC
Evidently, nothing.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 02:40pm PT
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2010 - 02:45pm PT
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Gotta Love Ted!
Ted Nugent, rock star and avid bow hunter from Michigan , was being interviewed by a liberal journalist, an animal rights activist. The discussion came around to deer hunting.
The journalist asked, 'What do you think is the last thought in the head of a deer before you shoot him? Is it, 'Are you my friend?' or is it 'Are you the one who killed my brother?
Nugent replied, 'Deer aren't capable of that kind of thinking. All they care about is, what am I going to eat next, who am I going to screw next, and can I run fast enough to get away. They are very much like the Democrats in Congress.'
The interview ended........
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apogee
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Jul 26, 2010 - 02:53pm PT
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So why the hell is this so important to the Repugs now, fattrad? Nothing they have done over the last 30 years supports this.
And why in the world should anyone believe that this is their underlying rationale for opposing any kind of program or bill that has cost associated with it?
The Repugs have no credibility on this issue, fattrad.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:01pm PT
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"The Repubs would be very happy with your first paragraph,"
fattrad, don't you think that it would place the Repugs in an incredibly poor light if, after 8 years of deficit building by their POTUS & Congress, that the Dems came in and implemented the strategies necessary to knock that deficit back down and 'right the ship'?
Besides casting them in a poor light, don't you think that it is pathetically irresponsible and childish for one group of people to expect the others to clean up the mess made by another, and do it over and over again?
Instead of expecting the next party to clean up your mess, how about if the Repugs get their feckin' act together and return to some level of responsibility and principle?
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:06pm PT
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Perhaps they can't, because the tea baggers have introduced a further element of extremism and rhetorical nonsense into the right wing?
It is a brilliant strategy on the part of the Democrats - wait until the Republicans, scared of their own shadows, nominate the most extreme tea bag ranters, who are virtually unelectable.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:17pm PT
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"Plenty of use were not happy about the free spending ways during the Bush admin."
Yeah, well most of you who were 'not happy about it' were all-too-happy and ready to vote for the same POTUS and Congress who kept doing the same sh#t, and remained quiet as they did so.
No, it's not much fun to clean up other people's messes, fattrad. The fact that the GOP keeps feckin' up the economy with deficit spending, and getting us into unending world conflicts, then handing it over to the Dems to clean up and complain all the way about how they do it...
You guys are unbelievably hypocritical and childish, I tell ya.
And Eubank, why don't you go dress up as a deer and hang out on Ted's compound for a while?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:19pm PT
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Daniel Eubank
Sport climber
Woodbridge, VA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 26, 2010 - 03:44pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:48pm PT
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:53pm PT
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:57pm PT
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Sorry, but you Liberal traitors need to be rounded you and contained from hurting yourselves or our country.
We just need to save the United States from the destruction you're trying to bring about with Obama's help.
Of course Liberals don't know they're nuts. A given.
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apogee
climber
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:58pm PT
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yay! cchopper's here!
Now we can see some really stooopid posts!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 26, 2010 - 03:59pm PT
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jul 26, 2010 - 04:00pm PT
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Mommy, why is that silly man kissing a camel's azz?
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