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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:12pm PT
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Werner gives us a cross between the X Files ("the truth is out there") and A Few Good Men ("You can't handle the truth!!")
LOL
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:15pm PT
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The 16 foot hole was on the second floor, dumbass, right about where the tail would go thru.
Truthers like to show the pic that has the huge first floor hole covered by smoke and firefighter water.
Seek and you will find many pics and composite pics that document the huge hole that is wide enough for engine-to-engine entry on the first floor. Also visible is wingtip damage.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:22pm PT
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Official Conspiracy theory
wait, there is an official conspiracy theory? where do i find it?
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:23pm PT
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This is often used to disprove the fact that a plane was involved.
Notice on the right side of the first frame, below the sky, there is an object that is apparent there above that brown box thing, but not later on, as if it moved out of view.
It sure looks like a tail to me.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:24pm PT
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The Official Non-Conspiracy Theory is presumably in the 9/11 commission report.
The Non-Official Conspiracy Theory? Well, for that one, you just have to believe. Believe really really hard.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:31pm PT
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Plus, they managed to get the military establishment, ordinary soldiers, the MSM, etc. etc. go along with it without anyone ever saying a word.
Cheney and Bush and Fattrad must be extraordinarily competent.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:42pm PT
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The passenger's families are part of the conspiracy too, no doubt.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:52pm PT
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The 16 foot hole was on the second floor, dumbass, right about where the tail would go thru.
Truthers like to show the pic that has the huge first floor hole covered by smoke and firefighter water.
Seek and you will find many pics and composite pics that document the huge hole that is wide enough for engine-to-engine entry on the first floor. Also visible is wingtip damage.
Monolith,
That is a monolithically wrong answer and observation. You can't be more delusional.
Now, tell me. Just how does this AA Flight 77 go through this small hole again? That is an amazing feat of magic and David Copperfield like illusion that massive jet did and the US Government wants you to believe in.
So, now we suspend the laws of physics? So, solid can go through solid now? Amazing how those windows right above the small hole the fuselage just barely squeezes through are not broken from the massive tail. Wow, the wingtips go beyond any of the damage also. Not to mention the massive jet engines. Like Rokjox said, it must have folded up like oragami and just slid through! Or perhaps it acted like a massive retractable umbrella?
It's MAGIC!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:54pm PT
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An airliner would look LARGE and TALL next to a 40-50 foot tall building. THAT image is about 12 foot tall tail. Mas o minos ...
It wasn't next to the building in that shot.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2010 - 04:57pm PT
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Only believers from the inner sanctum know the answers to such questions.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
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Rok,
Didn't you read my post a few pages back about the straw being driven into a tree by a tornado? The converse is true also. Shoot some aluminum at 600 ft/sec into a massive reinforced masonry structure and it will shred faster than you can say "It's all a neocon conspiracy!" But just because the wings and tail get sheared off doesn't mean they're not dragged into the inferno inside.
By the way, your vid clip is about 4 frames/sec and the jet was moving at least 600 ft/sec and it was 200' long so it would only have been on 1+ frame. That vid is seriously bad quality.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:07pm PT
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Does the actual photo frame in the .gif look like it is ANYWHERE NEAR THAT TALL??
Yes. In the photo, the tail is about 1/2-3/5 tall as the Pentagon. (hard to tell from the angle.)
In the gif, even at that distance from the buidling, it looks about 1/2 as tall.
And, it looks like a tail. It was there before, but then it is gone. Why? Because it was moving.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Yes, conspiracies do happen. People do conspire to do wrong, evil, and crime. Yes, the story about the patsy Arabic box-cutter knife wielding terrorists is "The Official Conspiracy" as told by our Government in the 9-11 Commission Report.
Once again you guys don't know how science works. All you have to do is just invalidate one piece of the OCT as set forth by the US Government and all the house of cards of the OCT fall down.
We have done that over and over.
So, in other words, the OCT can not be correct. This demands a new investigation. The 9-11 Commission Report is a white-wash compromise, designed not to find fault with anyone or any agency. Many of the Commissioners have said publicly it was compromised.
We do not have to answer all the billion other out-lying questions that no doubt we all have. Those must be answered with a true 9-11 investigation. One has not been done yet. Why?
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:21pm PT
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sorry 'bout the slip, doc. don't know how i could get them confused like that.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:25pm PT
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All False-flag black-ops have one thing in common purpose . . .
To fool the masses on a grand scale and convince them of doing something . . .
That something is WAR.
And as Major General Smedley Butler, USMC said, WAR IS A RACKET.
Listen to his speech:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm
Get educated. Watch the video "Why We Fight"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9219858826421983682#
Hermann Goering, quotes about Nazi:
Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quotes_about/nazi
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:37pm PT
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Rok,
As I stated the wings and tail would have had no little inertia and though
sheared would have continued into the hole created by the fuselage as they
are attached to the planes's frame by structural beams.
As for kerosene/jet fuel not being explosive apparently you haven't seen many videos of planes exploding. Any flammable fluid is explosive with the right fuel/air ratio. Go try dumping 12-15,000 gallons in a confined space and seeing if you don't get an explosion. Go search the web for the controlled crashes conducted by NASA and the FAA and see what a nice big bang results out in the open.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:39pm PT
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That is about as childish a statement as I can imagine.
Given a quarter of a second later it was...
Why childish?
You said if it is next to the Pentagon then it should be about the same height. Well, it wasn't next to the Pentagon. It was farther way, so they should look different.
The height of a 757 tail is 44 ft.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_757#Specifications
The height of the Pentago is 77 ft.
http://www.aviewoncities.com/buildings/washington/pentagon.htm
So, the tail is a little less than 3/5 the height of the Pentagon. Again, from the gif, assuming the plane is flying low, and given the perspective, 3/5 looks about right.
And just what do you think that large tail looking thingy is, if it isn't actually a tail?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:41pm PT
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Dirt,
your ht is based on a wheels down scenario. Pretty sure the ragheads didn't go "three in the green, down and locked". Subtract about 10' for a belly-in.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:41pm PT
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Again, first frame:
Sure looks like a tail of about the right height for a 757.
If not, then what is it? It was obviously moving.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2010 - 05:43pm PT
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Dirt,
your ht is based on a wheels down scenario. Pretty sure the ragheads didn't go "three in the green, down and locked". Subtract about 10' for a belly-in.
Good point.
So...slightly less than half the height of the Pentagon (34 ft. 757/77 ft Pentagon).
Still plausible.
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