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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 13, 2010 - 03:02am PT
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If you're sailing around the world, it's always going to be winter someplace, isn't it?
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 07:50am PT
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Guido:
There is a an out of print book about Tillman: High Mountains and Cold Seas: A Biography of H.W. Tilman by J. R. L. Anderson that chronicles his life. I saw it a book sale, didn't buy it but regret it because now the 2 copies available on Amazon are over a $100.
When I saw your post with his name mentioned it reminded me of my desire to read that book.
There is a new book about Tillman being released at the end of the month H.W. TILMAN The Enduring Legacy of the Great Explorer by David A. Glen
http://www.tilman.tv/
The web page gives incentive to read about this interesting man and his adventures.
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Tobia
Social climber
GA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 11:33am PT
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It is still listed for 12.22, Thanks.
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 01:55pm PT
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Glad she is okay! And I don't think I have any business telling anybody what they (or their kids) should or shouldn't do... heck, most people think climbing is crazy.
But I do have a problem with stinking rich people asking everybody else for donations to recover their $700,000 toy that they chose to take into hazardous conditions! I mean c'mon, sailing is already a rich person's sport! I'd have trouble affording a lesson, never mind one or more $700,000 boats! Lame.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 02:24pm PT
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The news stories I've read say the boat was worth about $120K. Sailing is not necessarily for the rich - I know some very poor sailors who have managed to buy boats.... and who live the equivalent of a dirtbag sailors life :-) There are some very cheap abandoned boats available....though of course they need a lot of work...
http://www.knx1070.com/Rescued-Sailor-Abby-Sunderland-Taking-Slow-Route-B/7437599:
"Family spokesman Jeff Casher said the 10-year-old boat and its equipment would have been worth about $120,000 before it was damaged."
photo of Wild Eyes and the french fishing vessel, Ile De La Reunion from above link:
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
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Yea, but someone in this post said the boat cost something like $600k plus outfitting when they bought it, and now it is broken! Kinda like my (functioning not broken) Subaru is only worth about 1/10 its value.
Plus $120k! THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this the ONLY boat the family owns? I doubt it!
If most people wanted this boat they would have to live on it and own nothing else... which is exactly what the dirtbag sailors are doing ... buying $40k boats and living on them.
Any family owning multiple $120,000+ boats is stinking rich.
Edit: If they were soliciting donations to cover the cost of Abby's rescue and/or raising money for the SAR teams, that would be respectful. Even better would be if they donated themselves, perhaps by selling one of their other boats. But asking others to help recover the expensive toy... that rubs me the wrong way.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 13, 2010 - 05:40pm PT
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unbelievable - cleo said "but someone in this post said---- wtf i say jump off a cliff it won't hurt - dingus look at a map if you sail around the would you are south of the equator almost the hole time.
coondogger - you are sucking someone else's air- stop it.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jun 13, 2010 - 06:06pm PT
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The value of the boat is a game. Right now, the boat has been abandoned, and anyone can go out there, attach a line, and it belongs to them under international salvage rules.
In all probability, they are going to salvage the boat themselves. However, it is NOT in their interests to acknowledge the value, as it makes it more worthwhile for the salvage hordes to go after it. For example, Abby's website notes it was built in 2001, 9 y/0, not 10.
As to the value, here is a listing for a 9 year old similar boat also built in 2001:
http://performance.boatshed.com/open_40_-boat-106633.html
$450,000.00
However, boats can be somewhat like horses. Yeah, there are the nags that cost $20. But the triple crown winners are different.
Abby's boat, As " BTC Velocity " she sailed in and completed the Around Alone 2002 finishing 2nd
2005 and 2007 Bermuda 1-2 (2007 Finished 2nd)
But when you look at the upgrades to the boat, there's a lot more value there.
So.....you can see that this "team" is perfectly fine with bending the truth to it's needs. Keep that in mind when reading their press releases.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 14, 2010 - 10:44am PT
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Random Historical solo-sailing facts and... speaking of the French:
Bernard Moitessier, Frenchman.. In 1969 he took place in the world's first round-the world, non-stop (no landfall allowed) race. 9 men set out. Only one (English)man crossed the finish line to collect the money and fame.
Bernard- the clear winner on his final approach to France.... tossed his victory to the wind at the last moment and just kept on going- sailing on and circling the globe a second time.
The book A Voyage for Madmen is about this famous race and is a really great read.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 14, 2010 - 10:58am PT
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I'm afraid DMT has a point BTW. 6 months out of the year it is either Spring or Fall everywhere on the entire globe.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jun 14, 2010 - 11:27am PT
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Thought it might be time for a little positive thought here. This is a clip shot on a IMOCA 60 raceboat used in short handed racing. This is a training run for the Double Handed Azores Race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__5nfRb5AbQ
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 14, 2010 - 11:29am PT
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Sunderland "reality" show preplanned before Abby's misadventure
13 June 2010
Sunderland "reality" show was preplanned before Abby's misadventure: Adventures in Sunderland (Reality TV Show) Distribution Rights: Magnetic Entertainment Exec Producer: Magnetic Entertainment "A family oriented Adventure show, based on the Sunderland Family of Thousand Oaks, CA. We follow the family in their day-to-day lives as shipbuilder Laurence Sunderland and mother/teacher Marianne try to balance work and family."
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sail_kid_parents_set_cour_for_tv_crGRuKCVBcBCM5v3s23ULK
I heard she was never even in the balloon, I mean boat.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Jun 14, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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i guess soom of you folks think that if you are not rich you should stay home. shackleton had sponsors most major expeditions have sponsors. whats your real problem. it's not what she or her family has done. it is in you.
in this life you can sit and complain or work your tail off getting sponsors and do something. what she did will be with her the rest of her life. & what she has done at 16 is more than most of you will do in a life time. judge not others but yourself.
bunch of cry babies. stop cying & go do something good for someone else.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jun 14, 2010 - 01:01pm PT
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"what she did will be with her the rest of her life"
AND, you'll be able to watch it on cable !
Edit;
Seriously, the girl deserves credit for having the balls to undertake such a dangerous adventure. I just think there is more to this story than anyone outside of her father and his agent will ever know.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Jun 14, 2010 - 01:24pm PT
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Got my copy right here Anders... Joshua Sloc#m- first man to circumnavigate the globe alone. 1895. No modern instruments. He didn't even have a chronometer. Pretty much just used dead reckoning a watch and the sun for navigation. Montessier's boat was named Joshua after him.
I love nautical history for some reason- even though I don't like sailing myself.
Edit- funny- keeps editing his name on my post LOL.
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Slakkey
Big Wall climber
From Back to Big Wall Baby
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Jun 14, 2010 - 01:33pm PT
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While we are on the subject of books there there is another titled Black Wave. this is the story of a family from down here in San Diego (Rancho Santa Fe to be more exact) who decides they are going to sail around world. In the book it is clear in the beginning that this is more of a dream for the husband than that of the rest of the family. I wont go into al the details of the book, personally I thought it was not all that good, but off the island of Tahiti they hit a reef in which the boat (a Catamaran) is heavily damaged. A rescue had to be executed and in the end the Husband loses a leg.
The point here is that all for a dream the husband not only put himself in a real life threatening situation but his family too.Then they write a book about it. I read the book out of curiosity as i have sailed in that part of the ocean and to be honest maybe they should have re thought the whole thing in the early stages of the trip. This family did not come under nearly as criticism as Abby has. Guess it makes a difference when you are older an make mistakes
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 14, 2010 - 01:48pm PT
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Glad she is okay! And I don't think I have any business telling anybody what they (or their kids) should or shouldn't do... heck, most people think climbing is crazy.
Lots of folks on this thread have voiced this opinion. So do you think there is ever a time when society should intervene? Because I think that it can be our business and at times should be our business. Never or not any is too broad. We have child labor laws. We have other protections. I believe that there is a limit. I'm not saying that I know what it is. It is kind of like pornography. I know it when I see it. This instance gave me concern because the experts were saying her choice to sail through the Indian Ocean was unwise as the timing was 2 months late. It turns out this was correct.
So what of it? Should society never speak up about what a parent is doing? I'm not talking about making laws, I'm just talking about voicing our concerns.
I would really like an answer from DMT and Tom. I don't want to stop people from having adventures, but I have seen parents do very dangerous things with their kids and have spoken up. I saved a kid from going over a cliff while out skiing. The parent didn't want me to interfere as he wanted the child to learn by experience. This 7 year old child was spread out on an icy surface sliding bit by bit towards a drop off and didn't know how to stop herself. I stopped below her and explained what she needed to do with her skis. The mom was standing there and was frightened and asked me not to interfer as the father was furious with me for interfering. He and I ended up coming to blows over it.
I think that I did the right thing. But according to what some are saying here, I butted in and never should do that.
So what is it? Should I just stand by when I see a parent making perhaps a grave mistake, or should I butt in?
Oh.. and my name is John Musgrove, in case any of you missed that in the past. Moosie is just a nickname I am known by.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Jun 14, 2010 - 01:52pm PT
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P.S. I also save a boy from drowning in big surf. His father said it was okay for him and his sister to go in, and then ended up drowning trying to rescue his daughter who also drowned. None of them belonged in the water that day.
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