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Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Dec 19, 2009 - 01:19pm PT

KyleO,

One last thing, yes I understand, I have a really good friend in Canada, he was my best man in my wedding, he complains about your very conservative Neoconish leaders also.

Hey, we can cry together, that is for sure. The NWO is real sadly.

WBraun

climber

Dec 19, 2009 - 01:20pm PT

When Experiments Defy Conclusions, Use a Computer

Not to be constrained by the physics of real-world models, NIST abandoned its physical tests and turned to computer modeling to get the several feet of floor sagging it needed for its theory.

KyleO

Ice climber

Calgary, AB

Dec 19, 2009 - 01:42pm PT

I just put on my tin foil hat and am getting beamed all these absurd allegations and fact from the planet zortron.

1. Explosives were heard from those at ground floor coming from below 10 seconds before plane impact from above. This was discluded in final report.
2. Towers fell at free fall speeds, this data was manipulated in official report to suggest non freefall velocities. See zero documentary if still confused.
3. Tower 7 builing of the CIA etc. Say no more.
4. The supposed terrorists were financed and linked with the gov't through flight school.
5. The hole in the pentagon was twenty feet wide. Missile?
6. Policies were (c) hanged in June 2001 to make so that Cheney had to confirm military involvement via phone in event of plane hijacking. Noone called back on 911.
7. NONE of the black boxes have been reported. Quite odd as this would explain lots.

There's seven FACTS from a tin hat wearing conspiracist.

WBraun

climber

Dec 19, 2009 - 01:46pm PT

Unqualified praise for the official account

Mackey's descriptions might have greater superficial plausibility were they less frantic in their endorsement of the collapse theory. In his world, criticism of the official story is "legitimate" as long as it doesn't seriously consider controlled demolition. The collapse theory is agreed to by "responsible scientists" while the controlled demolition theory is sold by "charlatans".

In his world, NIST can do no wrong, having conducted an investigation that is "a part of scientific thinking", and having given us a "meticulous final report", while making their methods and conclusions "available for scrutiny and criticism". But Dr. Griffin is "incorrect in every major detail", making points that "merit no attention whatsoever".

Such stark pronouncements of endorsement and condemnation are the stock and trade of propaganda, not science.

ionlyski

Trad climber

Kalispell, Montana

Dec 19, 2009 - 02:26pm PT

Anders, Mighty Hiker,
I keep trying to bait you, my dear fellow Norwegian into discussion. I notice you respond to everyone but me. I wish you'd look above in the posts and respond to my direct question of you or I'll lose my confidence. Then I'll start thinking the norsemen's many landings along the Nova Scotia coast are just nutjob conspiracy theories.

Arne

rockermike

Trad climber

Berkeley

Dec 19, 2009 - 04:35pm PT

I posted this link a bit up-thread, but it got sandwiched between various spitting contests and I think as a result it passed under the radar. Its made evidently by some Italians. I've seen now 4 or 5 movies on 9/11 and I think this is the best so far. Give it a shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YqET96OO0

Klimmer

Mountain climber

San Diego

Dec 19, 2009 - 09:25pm PT

Here are the links regarding the truth of MLK Jr.'s assassination:

Basically 2 books . . .

Act of State

The 13th Juror

All the links are here in this thread that is now hidden . . .

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1029342&msg=1030521#msg1030521

Anyway, here is the link to the official docs on Operation Northwoods from The National Security Archive, at GWU:

April 30, 2001

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”
(Klimmer - Ah, actually 9-11 would be)

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf

And here are the books that tell the story, and the complete trail transcript for the Assassination of MLK Jr. that involves US Special Forces soldiers as back-up assassins:

An Act of State: The Execution of Martin Luther King, New and Updated Edition (Paperback)
~ William F. Pepper (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Act-State-Execution-Martin-Updated/dp/1844672859/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1260244373&sr=1-1

Transcript: William F. Pepper: An Act of State -The Execution of Martin Luther King, talk at Modern Times Bookstore, San Francisco
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/MLKactOstate.html

It became evident that the military did not kill Martin King but that they were there in Memphis as what I've come to believe was a backup operation. Because King was never going to be allowed to leave Memphis. If the contract that was given didn't work these guys were going to do it. . . .
This was not a one-off for these guys. They were trained snipers. You remember a hundred cities burned in America in 1967. These guys were sent around the country, teams of them, into different cities. These particular fellows had been in Detroit, Newark and Tampa and possibly L.A. They were given mugbooks. Those mugbooks were the photographs of community leaders and people who were to be their targets. And they would be put in positions and they would take out community leaders who would somehow be killed in the course of the rioting that was going on in various cities. The assassination of Martin King was a part of what amounted to an on-going covert program in which they tried to suppress dissent and disruption in America.

Needless to say all of this started to flesh out in 1993 and '94. I did a work-in-progress up to that time called Orders To Kill. That book was never reviewed in America. This book will never be reviewed in America. Most masses of people here will never know anything about this story because the book will receive no attention whatsoever.

I have friends in a lot of media organizations, sometimes fairly senior journalists and reporters and they say, `Bill it's just not worth our jobs. Don't expect us to have you on in terms of this book. It's not worth our jobs.'

The consolidation of the control of the media is a major problem in this democracy as it is in most democracies today. I don't know how democracy can function when people are not allowed information that's essential for the decision-making process. But rather they get propaganda continually.

The Martin Luther King Conspiracy Exposed in Memphis
by Jim Douglass
Spring 2000
Probe Magazine
http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/MLKconExp.html

Pepper went a step beyond saying government agencies were responsible for the assassination. To whom in turn were those murderous agencies responsible? Not so much to government officials per se, Pepper asserted, as to the economic powerholders they represented who stood in the even deeper shadows behind the FBI, Army Intelligence, and their affiliates in covert action. By 1968, Pepper told the jury, "And today it is much worse in my view" -- "the decision-making processes in the United States were the representatives, the footsoldiers of the very economic interests that were going to suffer as a result of these times of changes [being actived by King]."
To say that U.S. government agencies killed Martin Luther King on the verge of the Poor People's Campaign is a way into the deeper truth that the economic powers that be (which dictate the policies of those agencies) killed him. In the Memphis prelude to the Washington campaign, King posed a threat to those powers of a non-violent revolutionary force. Just how determined they were to stop him before he reached Washington was revealed in the trial by the size and complexity of the plot to kill him.

The 13th Juror: The Official Transcript of the Martin Luther King Assassination Conspiracy Trial (Paperback)
~ MLK The Truth LLC (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/13th-Juror-Transcript-Assassination-Conspiracy/dp/1442112158/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I94F8NTWP5XBD&colid=2GL3DFQ4AXH2G

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 09:41pm PT

Can't YOU?

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 10:05pm PT

Skipt--the male version of LEB, hahahahaha!!!!1111666

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 10:16pm PT

Only you would:-)

Enjoy the title, as it is yours and yours alone--expect to see it often...

WBraun

climber

Dec 19, 2009 - 10:17pm PT

Unqualified praise for the official account

Such stark pronouncements of endorsement and condemnation are the stock and trade of propaganda, not science.

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:28pm PT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGH2mr3Qows&feature=related

Watch the first minute, and see how a fire burns (as in RAGES) an uncompleted (exposed steel) building for TWENTY hours in Madrid without damaging the structural integrity of the steel beams.

MUST BE a miracle building over there--or maybe our architects and engineers just suck?

monolith

climber

Berkeley, CA

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:29pm PT

I decided to take the Roks challenge and see this '16 foot hole' he and Klimmer have been saying proves a 757 did not strike the pentagon.

Here it is folks: from( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgKNEZVl_y8 )

Pretty hilarious. Standard Truther technique. Find a pic that shows only part of the story, then make up your own.

Notice the waterstream covers up the first floor.

Here's a better view:

Truthers can be really dumb sheep sometimes.

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:33pm PT

I kind of expected to see plane debris in those photos, monolith , not empty cable spools--what up with that?

Where's the plane and engines (all 4)?

Removed immediately from the "crime scene"? hehe (sarc)

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:45pm PT

Compressor disk from a Rolls Royce RB211 engine (The very engine installed on flight 77) at the Pentagon.

S'plain that Rox and Klimmer.

mojede

Trad climber

Butte, America

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:47pm PT

SkiptLEB-oo my darling!!!!1111666

bmacd

Trad climber

British Columbia

Dec 19, 2009 - 11:48pm PT

SkipT why do they ask you not to use your personal cell phone on the plane ? I have always wondered why.

And kudos to you for your tolerance with Rokjox, I don't know why you even bother to respond to him

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