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monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
LOL, Chief. Not very good at reading comprehension are ya.

The second line was drawn to show how stupid it is to just connect two data points.

Dang, you are stupid.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:18pm PT
Geochem labs all over the US are probably going ballistic now.

Mantle plumes have been the ruling orthodoxy for decades now, relatively few contrary papers getting through. Anderson & Natland in such a high-profile venue might, just possibly, open up the conversation more.

Here's an older and extra feisty paper (from Lithos 2011) making similar arguments from different data, and more outspoken about the conservative opposition. (Apologies to those who notice I'm posting on two threads, but I'll be happy to converse about it on either.)

Plate tectonics began in Neoproterozoic time, and plumes from deep mantle have never operated

The widely accepted concepts that plate tectonics has operated throughout all or most of geologic time and that plumes from deep mantle have delivered heat and material to the crust are contradicted by powerful multidisciplinary evidence, some of which is summarized here. Pre-Neoproterozoic rocks, individually and as associations, and their geologic and crustal structures, are very different from modern ones, and include none of the definitive indicators of plate interactions that are abundant in the Phanerozoic record. The assumption that plumes rise from deep mantle is derived from false 1950s assumptions that Earth has evolved slowly from a cold start, and survives as dogma despite disproof of its early basis and of its subsequent generalizations and predictions. The history of science contains many gaps between consensus and truth, but most mainline literature presumes that consensus favoring ancient plates and plumes obviates the need for evaluation of assumptions, evidence, and alternatives.
raymond phule

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:34pm PT

Anthony Watts again does a Chiefy and draws a line between the first and last data points, then claims no warming.

I actually expected a little better even for that site but I see that I was wrong.

The really sad thing is that really few of his readers are going to see the problem with that graph.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2014 - 01:39pm PT
I best go away, huh.


No The Chief, honestly. Stick around, where would we be without you.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
Science is cool, always looking, probing and gathering data to come to conclusions that are not always set in stone.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
I actually expected a little better even for that site but I see that I was wrong.
The really sad thing is that really few of his readers are going to see the problem with that graph.

The quality of both main posts and reader comments there was never very high but seems now to be dropping further, with some that have to be walked back right away and others not admitted but so wrong it becomes a spectacle that the regulars don't notice. AW's threat to sue Skeptical Science because he imagined that some cartoon outlines they posted were going to become caricatures of him gives one barometer for AW and his readers' grip on reality.

The cartoons of course had nothing to do with this paranoid vision.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
Do you also work at a local Pizza/Sandwich shop, KaveMAN? Or do you teach "Liberal" arts at some local Santa Cruz CC.


No The Chief, I can only dream of being good enough to toss pizza at Pizza Hut.
Teach?? Wouldn't that require a High School Diploma or something?


Naw, I'm lucky they let me pour the butter on the popcorn at the drive in.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Sep 10, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
The Chief:
Just trying to match ...top notch buffoonery


it would seem that you really don't have to try hard at all. I imagine it is effortless for you.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 02:45pm PT
The man is one strange creature.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
comparison line for two points in time, and
thus accurate as presented."It is all there in the story.

It is not in the story.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 03:08pm PT
Not in here, Chief. Try to focus.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/09/study-shows-record-high-increases-for-atmospheric-co2-in-2013-but-theres-still-no-warming/


monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/09/study-shows-record-high-increases-for-atmospheric-co2-in-2013-but-theres-still-no-warming/

Not in this link, Chief. Try again.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/09/study-shows-record-high-increases-for-atmospheric-co2-in-2013-but-theres-still-no-warming/

Still can't find the quote in the link, Chief.

You still claim it's there?
WBraun

climber
Sep 10, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
So glanton's ex wife now shows up as a stupid troll after that dipsh!t glanton comes out of the closet ......
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 10, 2014 - 04:15pm PT
This is getting weird.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Sep 10, 2014 - 05:27pm PT
Bob,

Why did you post those charts?

Again, I'm asking if they were posted in response to specific posts. If so, please quote the posts.



Which reminds me...


Sketch,

Why did you post those charts?

Again, I'm asking if you posted them with the intention of furthering our discussion of climate change, or if you are posting them to demonstrate to us that you know how to post an image. If they are to further the discussion, can you please explain why they are relevant?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 10, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
Well finally a bit of undisputed truth comes forth from Larry regarding plate techtonics: " few contrary papers get through". Larry can you acknowledge the same treatment from the climate cabal of contrary papers?

WTF is this Ricksxwives shuck and jive.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
Well finally a bit of undisputed truth comes forth from Larry regarding plate techtonics: " few contrary papers get through". Larry can you acknowledge the same treatment from the climate cabal of contrary papers?

Nope, they are opposite cases. Not all heterodox theories are right, not all orthodox ones are wrong -- or vice versa. It hinges on the evidence, or as Ed might say nature, either way.
monolith

climber
SF bay area
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:36pm PT
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/09/study-shows-record-high-increases-for-atmospheric-co2-in-2013-but-theres-still-no-warming/

Still not in this link, Chief. You can dance and deflect all you want, it's not going to magically appear there.

The line is being used to prove no warming in the Hadcrut4 data set. And we both know hadcrut4 shows warming.



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Sep 10, 2014 - 06:55pm PT
Yeah Larry, "it hinges on the evidence". You mean like Hansens climate model projections of various CO2 emision scenarios, the lack of the tropical mid tropospheric hotspot, declining relative humidity rather than the projected feedback increase, antarctic ice growth along with decreasing temps over the majority of the continent, the projected continuous rise in temps with the rising atmospheric CO2, the recovery of arctic sea ice, the 15+/- global surface temp stoppage of the 21st century, etc etc. Alls not well in the CAGW theory camp. Time for the climate la la landers to quit the resistence to publication of contrary theories?

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