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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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... taboo of describing a poorer future means that we won’t do the work to create the least bad outcome.
A capitalistic society means that we have to grow, quarter over quarter. To buck this concept means that you're a socialist, or worse. Our debt must be fed, austerity must be borne by the poor.
Yeah, I guess I'm pessimistic about this as well.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Just how bad is the drought?
The January 2016 rainfall total in Merced was 5.19" and for February it was .36".
This disparity spells D-R-Y to me.
And it proves (as if we needed convincing) that we two-leggeds only are here by the grace of weather, which seems to me to be god-like in its mysteries.
Earthquakes & fires take a back seat to weather every time.
"BONE DRY."
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/bone-dry.html
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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neebee,
It is actually disheartening.
We are below the historical average, although we may catch up and surpass that this month.
But people are SO missing the context.
To analogize:
In finance, it's like we have a monthly nut to pay, and a huge outstanding loan. We've not been able to make the payments for 4 years, but this month our crazy uncle Bob died, leaving us enough to make this years' payments, so we cheer, and look around thinking we don't need to economize and save and find a way to cut that monthly nut.......and we are just going ignore that long-term loan.
We over-draft groundwater, causing the land to settle (up to 50 feet in places in the Central Valley), PERMANENTLY losing that storage capacity for all time. THAT is the huge long term loan.
No one is even talking about paying that back.
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c wilmot
climber
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CA needs less farms. Decades of having a de facto slave workforce has artificially created the vast farming system which drains the water table
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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bergbryce:
Be aware that the difference between what is in Shasta right now, and average, is about 171 BILLION gallons of water deficit below average.
This does nothing about restoring the groundwater deficit of 15 TRILLION acre-feet in the Central Valley.
(1 acre-foot=326,000 gal)
and no reason not to think that we are going to head right back into drought conditions next year, as the long term models predict as "the new norm"
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dingus, I certainly agree.
One could build a dam, but WHERE does the water come from to fill it????
Assuming you have water, why not put it into the empty massive underground lake that is already there, and which costs nothing to build?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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"Sierra Nevada snowpack below average"
by Ryan Sabalow, Sacramento Bee, March 1
In another sign that a once-promising El Nino weather pattern is proving to be no drought-buster, California officials say an unseasonably warm and dry February shrunk the Sierra snowpack to below average depths.
On Tuesday, the California Cooperative Snow Surveys Program measured 58 inches of snow at Phillips, off Highway 50 near Echo Summit. The measurements are the best recorded in early March since 2011, and amarked contrast to March 2015, when the snow depth was only 6.5 inches. But some levels are still just 83 percent of the March 1 average.
Forecasters nonetheless hold out hope for a wet spring. Rain and snow that fell in the so-called "March Miracles" of 1991 and 1995 pulled California out of a prolonged drought those years, state officials said.
What California officials do best:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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California, and the rest of the world, for that matter, needs fewer breeders!
ekat speaks the truth
BTW reduce farming? Really? How about eliminating lawns first.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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How about eliminating lawns first
Good start. Also, don't put water in whiskey.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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^^^Ha Mark Twain famously said, "whiskey's for drinking and water is for fighting over".....must be the water that makes some drunks want to fight eh?
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Really? How about eliminating lawns first.
And golf courses in the desert. Freaking stupid. Not only Palm Springs but AZ and other desert areas.
Crap, I'm going into a rant. I've worked on water projects that sucked up to 8,000 gpm of ground water. We did what we could to minimize water loss but when that much water is used it is unreal.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Build the dams. Fill them, know what you're going to get?
Earthquakes!
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johntp
Trad climber
socal
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Proper seismic design can handle quakes.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Atmospheric river storms can actually reduce water availability.
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2409/
Here's to hoping the storms over the next 10 days will bring much snow to the Sierras.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Hope the rain comes for March!
Oroville Dam is tallest in US but not the tallest in the world. It's not even the tallest earthen filled at this point.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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it may not be the tallest but it has the most bodies at the bottom,
I-70 bridge where the Russian Mafia does drop offs,
back waters of the Feather where the meth freaks kill themselves,
union strikers buried in the foundation, comprende me?
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Mammoth is saying they got over 3 feet last night.
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nita
Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
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Last year March 1, 2015
March 6, today
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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The rain last night put the kibosh on my a.m. mt. bike ride (sigh), but glad for the moisture. Clouds passing thru now, light breeze. Bluebird day.
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