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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Feb 23, 2015 - 11:11am PT
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CitizenFour wins an Oscar!
Watched the replay and could not help but check out the 'guns'
on Laura Poitras. The TSA harassing her every time she enters our
country may actually have something to fear as she writes
their names down with a little pencil stub..
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Feb 23, 2015 - 09:17pm PT
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COMCAST CH 801 HBOHW playing CitizenFour 9-11pm PST now
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 24, 2015 - 07:22am PT
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I still get the creepy feeling Snowden might be nothing more than an advanced form of the billboards in Orwell's 1984 with "Big Brother is Watching YOU".
First off, he's not dead. The regime in power now wouldn't allow him to exist if he truly were a threat.
Nothing ever changes with any of these "amazing tales of deceit", people simply become used to being pathetic subjects under an evil microscope. And the details are sorely lacking in regards to placing blame. Few names are ever mentioned.
An interesting way to deter dissent for a bit...
But who knows, the layers of BS are now so thick and plentiful it becomes impossible to know the truth.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Mar 4, 2015. Whistleblower Edward Snowden took part in a teleconferenced discussion hosted by the CJFE and Ryerson School of Journalism
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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First off, he's not dead. The regime in power now wouldn't allow him to exist if he truly were a threat.
Well, if you were talking W's crew true, otherwise I'd say you're spot on with that moniker of yours.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Rand Paul got it done, almost singlehandedly.
Remember that!
It will also not make any difference since we have an administration (and a majority of senators from both parties)that believe that the law and the Constitution don't apply to them.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jun 24, 2015 - 06:35am PT
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Fear said -quote: "First off, he's not dead. The regime in power now wouldn't allow him to exist if he truly were a threat." Healyje replied: "Well, if you were talking W's crew true, otherwise I'd say you're spot on with that moniker of yours." Why do you give Obama a pass? Somehow you seemed to have missed that it is THIS administration, not the last one, that is killing American people they believe to be threats without trials or attempts at trials. You appear to not have noticed that this is Obama, not Bush, doing this. Not giving Bush a pass here as we have already discussed that ad nausea back when it was current. Here, read this from a left-wing publication for example in case you don't know what I'm discoursing here. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/
or-
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=0
Perhaps you can point to the constitution and show me where the founders believed that the President could or should approve weekly killings and not just without due process or trial, but avoid it? (Al-Alawakis father tried the court systems for his son and it was tossed out). Killings of underage Americans, some of whom appear from the outside to have done nothing more than thought crime. Where is that said it is OK? Maybe it's a provision in the commerce clause and I missed it. You continue to blame a President who is long gone, but not the one who has been doing this sh#t for 6 years.
Further, have you also missed that despite calls before the election that they would be open and transparent, this administration prosecutes whistle blowers who leak secrets much more than ANY other. Ever. This despite signing off on some whistle blower protections early on. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/10/jake-tapper/cnns-tapper-obama-has-used-espionage-act-more-all-/
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/obama-has-prosecuted-more-whistleblowers-than-all-other-presidents-combined.html
Why do you give them a pass? Because they promised "hope and change". It didn't come, in case you might have missed that part. Do you think that the people who conducted Operation Northwoods did not leave successors? http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/01/nsas-google-worlds-private-communications/
XKEYSCORE: NSA’s Google for the World’s Private Communications
One of the National Security Agency’s most powerful tools of mass surveillance makes tracking someone’s Internet usage as easy as entering an email address, and provides no built-in technology to prevent abuse.
Today, The Intercept is publishing 48 top-secret and other classified documents about XKEYSCORE dated up to 2013, which shed new light on the breadth, depth and functionality of this critical spy system — one of the largest releases yet of documents provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Dec 17, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
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From an article today:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2015/12/obama-terrorism-san-bernardino/420972/
In the days after the attack in San Bernardino, federal investigators determined the shooters, Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife, Tashfeen Malik, were inspired by Islamist extremists and had spoken of jihad online as long ago as 2013. But those communications were “private direct messages,” the FBI said, and would not have been detected by U.S. intelligence employees.
Obama said national security officials will use the San Bernardino shooting to“learn whatever lessons we can and make any improvements that are needed.”
Here we see the campaign to make legal the ubiquitous capture of all private communications between US citizens. Before the political zealots get all partisan about this-- it's not a divisive issue between democrats or republicans. It's deeper than that.
The fight is on. Will we wake up and do something about it before it is too late? Carrying guns isn't the way to fight this battle. Talking about it, being informed of the issues, and holding our elected officials accountable for making laws and enforcing laws that protect the citizenry from the government- that is the way.
I just re-read something I wrote in 2014 on this thread, and I still think it is very relevant:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2157116&tn=1683
The challenge is how we as a society authorize our government to keep us on a path of democratic ideals and life that we prefer, between two opposing forces that threaten these:
1) Foreign powers that would like to topple US and send us back to the stone age, Sharia law, etc.
2) US shadow/hidden government (powerful people? corporations?) that uses people's fear of #1 to give up basic freedoms and societal expectations to give more power to an emergent elite/ruling class whilst the remainder of society lives under constant surveillance, and in complete fear and powerlessness.
The tightrope of democracy....
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couchmaster
climber
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Well spoken Nutagain! Snowden surfaces writing the forward for "The Assassination Complex". http://www.amazon.com/Assassination-Complex-Governments-Warfare-Program/dp/1501144138 Says a lot of things worth reading and reflecting on in this story: (link) https://theintercept.com/2016/05/03/edward-snowden-whistleblowing-is-not-just-leaking-its-an-act-of-political-resistance/
"These disclosures about the Obama administration’s killing program reveal that there’s a part of the American character that is deeply concerned with the unrestrained, unchecked exercise of power. And there is no greater or clearer manifestation of unchecked power than assuming for oneself the authority to execute an individual outside of a battlefield context and without the involvement of any sort of judicial process."
I'm not sure I'm quite so optimistic as he is. He ends it thus, quote: ...."we, the people, are ultimately the strongest and most reliable check on the power of government. The insiders at the highest levels of government have extraordinary capability, extraordinary resources, tremendous access to influence, and a monopoly on violence, but in the final calculus there is but one figure that matters: the individual citizen.
And there are more of us than there are of them."
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Consider a dirty bomb or suitcase nuke in the heart of New York's financial district. 100 square blocks shut down for hundreds of years due to radiation.
Now think of a Clinton or Trump Administration with unfettered data collection in the context of blackmail and coercion.
The trajectory of transparency, honesty and class this presidency has set is heading for a brick wall I'm afraid. Obama- pull the plug on data collection NOW and seal the files!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Having read through a fair number of responses on this thread I'm struck by the juxtaposition of some posters crying for privacy and freedom, who coincidentally post as a advocate for further government control on numerous other threads.
The cognitive dissonance created by their desire to have government work for them when convenient but appear indignant when its not must be painful.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frumentarii
By the 2nd century, the need for an empire-wide intelligence service was clear. But even an emperor could not easily create a new bureau with the express purpose of spying on the citizens of Rome's far-flung domains. A suitable compromise was found by Hadrian. He envisioned a large-scale operation and turned to the frumentarii. The frumentarius was the collector of wheat in a province, a position that brought the official into contact with enough locals and natives to acquire considerable intelligence about any given territory. Hadrian put them to use as his spies, and thus had a ready-made service and a large body to act as a courier system.
The Frumentarii were the equivalent of the postal service in ancient Rome.
Emperor Hadrian appropriated them for use as his personal spies, because they were ideally suited for intercepting and reading mail sent throughout the Empire.
If you're not doing anything illegal, government spying doesn't affect you. Go back to sleep.
or,
Anyone who objects to wholesale government spying must be doing something illegal, so it is necessary to spy on everyone to find out just who those people are.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Escopeda- I think I can elaborate on that point, as I see it-
As long as the police state is hammering on Ragheads, Niggas, and Mexicans- fine.
But the IRS, DEA, and ATF had better stay clear of my tax evasion, guns, drugs and porn.
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