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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 21, 2017 - 08:01am PT
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The liar's paradox has returned to haunt us again!
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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May 21, 2017 - 11:52am PT
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Don't believe anything you read.
;>)
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 21, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
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I'm generally saying that we can't know just about anything. What we seem to have are interpretations, and this one appears to be no different than any other.
This is "bubble language" my friend. You can wall yourself off from having to learn anything or to even explore important and interesting subjects -- because for you the search for knowledge and understanding has been replaced by a sort of expedient ideology that serves the central purpose of saving you all that trouble.
Remember the salmon who gives up jumping the waterfalls?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 21, 2017 - 06:33pm PT
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Dingus: . . . to make this declaration . . . .
Not quite. I’m reporting, I’m not predicting.
Jogill: Don't believe anything you read.
Yes. That takes nothing away from the involvement or joy. You don’t have to believe to be—not just IN life, but to be life itself. We just appear to "read." Some of have said we are the book.
Ward:
Ok, brother. I . . . am . . . with . . . you.
Again, I’m pretty much just reporting from my view on those things. Looked-at closely, anything / everything seems to dissolve. And, really, that’s just fine as far as I can tell.
That other stuff, to me at least, seems just like unnecessary and ugly baggage.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 22, 2017 - 03:38am PT
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But if you don't believe anything you read then you can't believe Mr Gill's post Since you don't believe what he wrote then you must believe something you've read. Does that mean it's impossible to not believe everything you read? Welcome to the liar's paradox.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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May 22, 2017 - 03:48am PT
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MikeL,
Dingus: . . . to make this declaration . . . .
Not quite. I’m reporting, I’m not predicting.
I made no mistakes. I also was just reporting on the words of Ward Trotter who used a noun of direct address, MikeL, as the beginning of his sentence that I quoted.
Ward Trotter
Trad climber
May 20, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
MikeL : I take nothing as "unequivocal fact".
I was just following your suggestions of quoting. At the outset I sensed some form of confusion might arise by the literal posing of this quote.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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May 22, 2017 - 03:49am PT
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Yanqui,
i like the observation: Liars Paradox!
But I suspect jogill knew this and is still laughing. A test to us?
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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May 22, 2017 - 03:59am PT
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jogill,
can you make a word paradox without the use of the all inclusive words such as anything, everything, never, none, all etc or the implication of all inclusiveness?
Set Theories?
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 22, 2017 - 12:51pm PT
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This sentence is not true.
;>)
(a classic)
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 22, 2017 - 12:59pm PT
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 22, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
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Ooookay MikeL
Here's some more of my meme-mongering, narrative-jockeying
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140722142513.htm
Those of you interested in maintaining adequate Vit. D levels do not rely on supplementation.
The vit. D window is when UVB is most abundant, depending on latitude and time of year, between 11 am to 1 pm ,when the sun is at a high altitude and there is less atmosphere to intercept UVB.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 23, 2017 - 10:41pm PT
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The Wizard needs to come back and flip a koan. Heads we flip again and tails we start over.
Vitamin D ??
OK
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 24, 2017 - 09:21am PT
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RVitamin D ??
Whatta you wanna talk about?
Wha? Wha? Wha?
What is mind?
One thing we do know about mind is that it probably would not exist without your Vitamin D.
Melatonin
Dopamine.
What is mind?
Someone stop me!
Before
I
Get
Off
Topic.
I could be bribed.
To just "go away"
Via Pay Pal or some other arrangement.
Photons of light come to Earth in a timeless state and cells use dopamine to make time and melatonin to suspend it in sleep. Things like dopamine and melatonin in cells turn that light into electric signals which make sense of the chaos in sunlight. The Schumann Resonance from the Earth's core and the alpha wave of the human brain seen on an EEG are both the same frequency at 7.83 Hz. On an electroencephalogram (EEG) we get wave forms that depict the electrical activity occurring at the surface of the brain on the neocortex. The neocortex of the human brain oscillates at 40 Hz when we are healthy and sleep well. Even the DNA within the nucleus oscillates at a specific electromagnetic frequency. This frequency varies by tissues and the proteins in those tissues. Frequency matching and voltage regulation are linked to melatonin, dopamine, and aceytlcholine levels in the brain. This frequency matching and voltage regulation occurs best when dopamine levels in the brain are optimized for electrical functioning. Dopamine normally increases the signal to noise ratio in the brain, facilitating pattern recognition both in space and across time. This is key to global control of the circadian system of man which control sleep mechanisms. Timing and global control have to be linked electrically for a cell to make sense of the chaos in the environments wave forms. https://www.chronobiology.com/maintaining-bodys-circadian-…/
You can improve your dopamine levels by improving the light environment you live within. Exposure to sunlight optimizes dopamine ; exposure to artificial lighting, TV, and computer screens inhibit dopamine and melatonin (because of their blue light spikes).
An increasing number people in the modern world are becoming progressively decoupled from natural light cycles. With predictable and unpredictable results.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 25, 2017 - 03:51pm PT
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I was in Trondheim around the fourth of July twenty years ago and the sun never went down. I'd pull the drapes back at 3AM and it was bright daylight. In the Air Force along the Canadian border almost sixty years ago the sun barely came up in mid winter. How do those people survive??
;>\
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - May 25, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
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Back on Sunday. Still up in Yosemite.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 25, 2017 - 04:30pm PT
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Aw geez. I was thinking we'd finally had put this one into the ground.
But no. It arises from the dead.
Need a jump start from Largo. Would someone pass him the paddles, please?
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WBraun
climber
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May 25, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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The mind never stops.
It always remains active.
Only those who take hold of the reins of the mind can control it .....
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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May 26, 2017 - 05:00pm PT
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When computers start telling each other jokes, I'll start taking this whole the-human-mind-is-a-computer thing a lot more seriously.
Eliza versus Racter was quite funny, though surely not appreciated as such by the algorithms.
Computers can tell jokes to each other but the reactions they get from each other do not resemble laughter or amusement as we would recognize such.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 26, 2017 - 05:07pm PT
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MH2: . . . but the reactions they get from each other do not resemble laughter or amusement as we would recognize such.
I like this idea in so many different ways.
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