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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2010 - 10:39pm PT
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Oh that CC, he never learns.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 20, 2010 - 07:38pm PT
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Ed - Whats snow? Don't see any outside the window. Warmists assured everyone
this 'snow' stuff was a thing of the past, never to be seen again.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 20, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
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You may be too young to remember snow, cc.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 20, 2010 - 09:21pm PT
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Interesting spin, Dingus.
Hope it doesn't kill our children.
Did you take any science classes when you were in college?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 21, 2010 - 11:01am PT
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//Tim Blair
Tuesday, December 21, 2010 at 05:24am
(AP) Top climate scientists are puzzled by a sudden global outbreak of the Gore Effect, apparently taking place despite no assistance from Al Gore himself.
Scientists have long understood that unseasonal or extremely cold weather is primarily caused by Gore’s close physical proximity. Yet recent weeks have seen record lows from Mexico to Melbourne, with Gore nowhere to be seen.
“It’s a real head-scratcher,” admits Amanda Pandy, head of the prestigious Flannery Centre, a climate analysis and bicycle courier service located high above predicted ocean rises in mountains south of Sydney, Australia. “Look outside and you’ll actually see snow, right in the middle of summer. It only makes sense if Al Gore is around here somewhere.” Pandy’s climate laboratory/puncture repair shed is now ringed with pies, intended to lure the former vice-president into open ground.
The “hidden Al” theory is also supported by Okina Sakana, a researcher at Kortler University’s elite Gore studies cell. By calculating the time it takes to travel in a private jet between various newly-frozen locations, Sakana believes he can demonstrate that Gore is circling the globe in the manner of an especially fat Santa Claus, bringing icy cold wherever he lands.
“Just look at the charts,” urges Sakana, displaying a convincing correlation of travel duration and plunging temperatures. But he acknowledges possible flaws. A check of locations allegedly visited by Gore reveals no extensive depletion of food stocks. Also, several masseuses in Kashmir – including two who had previously worked Gore’s dangerous southern escarpment – could not cite any recent call-outs to the area’s solitary Gore-rated hotel room, bolted directly to the Earth’s mantle.
Others contend that we are witnessing a mutation of the Gore Effect, and that it may now be capable of transferring from its gigantic environmentalist host pod to infect human carriers. “If you look at the areas suffering the worst outbreaks, they all feature individuals who have suffered prolonged exposure to Al Gore,” says Pandy. “Why, Jon Bon Jovi and Oprah were in Australia only last week. Now the place is freezing – almost as though Al Gore had been here in person.”
The same link was noted at Cancun’s chilly climate change conference, where more than a dozen attendees known to have viewed An Inconvenient Truth were placed in quarantine after exhibiting symptoms of Mad Al Disease. If it is actually occurring, says Dr Plastis Lactos, a specialist in interspecies conflict, the cross-infection of humans represents a frightening metastasis of the Gore Effect: “It would now be a full-blown Gore Syndrome.”
For now, the majority of mainstream scientists are reluctant to abandon their belief in the Gore Effect as caused by a singular uncharismatic mass who couldn’t even carry his home state in 2000. Part of this may be due to the alternatives being simply too extreme to contemplate. “You’re talking about potentially millions of satellite Gore zombies – Gombies, if you will – swarming the planet,” says Lactos. “The scenario is unrealistic.” Nevertheless, his medical bookshelves were cleared last week to make space for crates of gold-jacketed LardMachete™ .45 hollow points.
Likewise, Nashville authorities aren’t taking any chances. A police cordon remains in place around Gore’s Belle Meade mansion, although the absence of an idling pizza truck convoy suggests that Gore isn’t currently in residence. “He can’t run and he can’t hide,” declares Sheriff J.P. Chestrille, maintaining watch near the mansion’s third-largest double-storey trough wing.
Are we all worrying about nothing? Yes, according to Gore Effect deniers, a largely discredited faux-scientific fringe group previously linked to claims that the earth was undergoing unprecedented and catastrophic warming. “There ain’t no Gore Effect and there ain’t never were one,” said group leader Phil Jones of East Anglia University’s Climate Research Unit, terminating a brief telephone interview before falling over in the snow.
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http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/wheres_al/
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2010 - 11:06am PT
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Ed, I'm thinking CC dodged your question.
But I'll answer. No, I apparently do not know what is the cause of snow.
And Jaybro, what *were* you talking about?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Dec 21, 2010 - 11:53am PT
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one reason why i'm a skeptic (that humans, rather than nature, are the primary cause of climate change and that climate change means the end of the planet and that humans, rather than nature, are the best hope for preventing such catastrophic change):
non-skeptics repeatedly claim "weather" is NOT the same as climate; therefore, cold "weather" canNOT be used as evidence against agw
then, well...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/uk-snow-global-warming
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 21, 2010 - 12:04pm PT
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one reason why i'm a skeptic (that humans, rather than nature, are the primary cause of climate change and that climate change means the end of the planet and that humans, rather than nature, are the best hope for preventing such catastrophic change):
non-skeptics repeatedly claim "weather" is NOT the same as climate; therefore, cold "weather" canNOT be used as evidence against agw
zzzz...
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 21, 2010 - 12:06pm PT
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"non-skeptics repeatedly claim "weather" is NOT the same as climate; therefore, cold "weather" canNOT be used as evidence against agw"
Really??? That is what non-skeptics are saying?
I'll ask you--where did you get that from? I've read a lot of the FACTS that climate scientists have said. This very thread has a lot of statements from these scientists, and references to bodies of work about climate change. Yet, I still can't find where folks say "cold "weather" canNOT be used as evidence against agw."
So, are you making up more stuff?
'fraid so.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 21, 2010 - 03:52pm PT
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People just aren't going to believe that 0.1C rise in temperature every
10 years(?) is a disaster. They do see the scam of paying Carbon Taxes
'so the problem can be solved'.
All such a tax would do is create a large
group of people who's paychecks rely on never solving anything.
Suppose that's already happening. IPCC. The endless jet-setting
to conferences at lush resorts.
Are cold winters in Europe associated with low solar activity?
one can invert the title of this paper and ask `Does the occurrence of
lower/higher solar activity make a cold/warm winter in Europe more likely
(than the climatological mean)?' Our results strongly suggest that it
does, which has implications for seasonal predictions.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/5/2/024001/fulltext
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 21, 2010 - 04:18pm PT
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and that climate change means the end of the planet
LOL, it's so much easier to be secure in your selfishness when the altrenative is rediculous strawmen statements that no one says.
Perhaps someday thousands of years from now the future of humanity will depend on how well we have treated the Earth, but for climate change it's really just a question of economics. Do we limit carbon emissions now or pay for the consequences over the next say 100 years?
I also get a laugh whenever righties say Global Warming is now Climate Change, like media is changing what they call it to fool people. Anyone with a brain knows a change in the average global temp probably means climate change. They had to call it something else becuase numbnuts couldn't get over the idea that climate change can mean colder weather.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 22, 2010 - 12:55am PT
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Dr F
The majority of diversity and biomass on earth is microbial, and thus
difficult to measure, mass extinctions have little effect on the total
diversity and abundance of life, but rather affect the easily observed,
biologically complex component of the biosphere.
Over 98% of documented species are now extinct, but extinction occurs at an
uneven rate. Based on the fossil record, the background rate of extinctions
on Earth is about two to five taxonomic families of marinine invertebrates and vertebrates every million years.
Means nothing to worry about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_event
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climber
Where the Froude number often >> 1
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Dec 22, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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Halomonadaceae!!!
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dec 22, 2010 - 01:13am PT
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You Liberals are manifesting your kinds classic ability to constantly worry about stuff. And when others don't join you in wailing that the sky in going to fall the worry turns to anger and hate. Such a broken record.
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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Dec 22, 2010 - 03:37am PT
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I sometimes wonder if America’s aversion to the theory of man-made climate change is tied to the rootlessness of the people. In the west in particular, Anglo family trees rarely stretch beyond 7 generations. I had a 5th generation neighbor in Lone Pine tell me once that that the whole town was essentially a marsh back in the day. In the pacific NW I grew up hearing tales of when the Columbia froze over and just in my lifetime I’ve watched the glaciers on all the peaks of my youth recede. Winter’s are warmer than when I was a kid, things don’t bloom on time, and the frogs and big beetles have disappeared. Call me liberal if that eases your mind.
CC brought up mass extinctions which is a new scientific theory ushered in with the observation of Alvarez in 1980 and in conjunction with Gould’s theory of punctuated equilibrium crumbled the neo-Darwinist assertions of evolutionary gradualism. The mass extinctions in the fossil record are cataclysmic events where it appears survival isn’t based on any criteria of “fitness”, but apparent randomness or sheer luck if you will. A observation that has always struck me about these events, after a long conversion into accepting the data as compelling and correct; is that the dominant species going into an ELE isn’t the dominant species coming out. A hypothesis to ponder as we blindly push forward releasing stored terrestrial carbon into the atmosphere where it slowly erodes the buffering effects of the ocean and when coupled with man’s push into every ecosystem makes it seem to me at least that the human race is triggering a ELE.
But don’t worry CC if people are sent to hell for releasing terrestrial carbon into the atmosphere I’ll be going to the ninth pit, but I’ll be clear eyed about it and my reasons are my own. Just sayin.
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