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WBraun
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May 17, 2017 - 08:27am PT
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Do are (you mean our) brains create humor?
The brain can't ultimately create anything, it's just a lump of gross material flesh that's controlled ultimately by mind and consciousness .....
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 17, 2017 - 08:29am PT
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Dogs to a larger extent than cats look like they want to have fun/like to play.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
To what extent is playfulness, "fun-loving behavior", connected to humor/an indication of humor?
Since dogs and cats do not have the same language as humans, we can hardly expect them to be lovers of human wordplay...
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 17, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Werner: if you like replace the word "brain" with "mind". I don't care about anything ontological here (whether or not what creates the humor is "material" or "spiritual"). What interests me is if, in our developmental stages, whether we begin to say and do funny things first, without even being consciously aware we are doing it, and only later on begin to create humor on purpose as we continue to develop in a cultural context.
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 17, 2017 - 08:37am PT
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Marlow: I definitely agree dogs (and cats too, actually) like to play and have fun. But I'm not sure they can create humor, even though what they do makes us laugh.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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May 17, 2017 - 08:38am PT
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I think humor is one part of a wider behavioral phenomenon - play/wit...
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 17, 2017 - 10:12am PT
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Dog and Cat humor?
Two cats walk into a bar and see that the bartender is a dog. They immediately start insulting him, "Hey dumb dog get me a beer." Hey stupid dirty dog get me an ash tray." This goes on for an hour of relentless insults until the dog just can't take it anymore.
"Why don't one of you cats come back here and I'll sit at the bar and insult you."
"Fine," says one of the cats and the two change places. The Dog immediately says, "Hey you smelly cat get me a drink."
To which the cat replies simply, "We don't serve dogs here."
See, not that it matters to anyone but those suffering from severe anthropomorphic disconnect, cats can be pretty funny.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 17, 2017 - 11:38am PT
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yanqui, check it out, from 80k bce...
https://youtu.be/tQxy4IOJ2E0?t=1h8m44s
Esp cool and poignant scene since the girl, who's from a different tribe altogether, taught them earlier in the movie.
When this film first came out, i pooh poohed it. I was in my 20s. Since I've grown to appreciate it. A movie well worth having in one's collection.
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 12:32pm PT
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yanqui
I don't replace brain with mind.
The brain is gross physical material.
The mind is subtle material.
There is a huge difference between the two.
They are NOT one and the same ......
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 17, 2017 - 01:06pm PT
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I was referring to replacing words in the sentence I wrote, Mr. Duck.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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May 17, 2017 - 01:58pm PT
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Has anyone ever seen anything like humor in primate behavior, say chimpanzees or orangutans? Accuse me of anthropomorphism if you like, I'm not interested in arguing the point. But I would be interested if someone knew some examples of humor exchanges in animals other than humans.
Lucy, a home raised chimp was taught sign language and is the first recorded chimp to learn a signal for funny and to use it spontaneously. Usually it was used after some simple slip on a rug and fall down type episode.
Once however, she went to the toilet in the living room and when the man of the household began yelling "Who did this?", she signaled it was their teen aged son, and then that that his wife had done it. When the husband yelled "it wasn't them", Lucy signaled, it was you and then gave the hand signal for funny, thereby signaling a chimp's first documented lie and joke.
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
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(whether or not what creates the humor is "material" or "spiritual")
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Might as well replace spiritual with magic. Amazing to me how most physicalists have a blind spot in this regards, re - it's either material, or woo.
Until you look into what modern physicists (under 50) presently say about material.
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Humour is a really effective refuge from reality.
You can't escape reality.
There's no escape.
Where are you gonna go?
Everywhere you go, you are there ......
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 17, 2017 - 07:16pm PT
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Until you look into what modern physicists (under 50) presently say about material.
I hadn't realized there's a new consensus that begins at < 50. Please enlighten us.
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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Oh .... so the gross materialists are living in an illusion and it's too much for them so need to take a vacation all the time.
From their killing and sterile making machines .....
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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May 17, 2017 - 07:46pm PT
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I've ran towards car crashes, fires and construction site injuries. It was instinctive and propulsive. [Click to View YouTube Video]
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
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You've felt frustration at the esoteric intellectualism posted here.
Makes sense, I agree most of it is dry and mundane.
The higher you go the more that falls away.
All that intellectualism is for those still searching.
A tiny child just loves its mother and father and needs no intellectualism at all ......
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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May 17, 2017 - 08:23pm PT
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Until you look into what modern physicists (under 50) presently say about material
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 08:42pm PT
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Only Superman can save .......
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WBraun
climber
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May 17, 2017 - 09:09pm PT
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I don't mind this thread.
You should mind!!!
It's the Mind thread ......
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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May 18, 2017 - 06:44am PT
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Jim: How does your mind react or not, while devolving itself onto the big dirt ball we live on ?
Sit still and quietly for a few hundred hours, and you’ll begin to suspect that “you” don’t have a mind that you can find.
"That you carry yourself forward and experience the myriad things is delusion. That the myriad things come forward and experience themselves is awakening.”
"Those who have great realization of delusion are buddhas; those who are greatly deluded about realization are sentient beings."
--Dogen Zenji (1200 - 1253)
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