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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jul 28, 2011 - 01:04am PT
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i appreciate that donini.
which is why he ought to think about his past writings. anyone coming over the internet saying he is going to climb some thing i order to validate past suppositions then not do that climb ought to have the balls to man up.
this is not about climbing. it is about being a man.....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 28, 2011 - 01:46am PT
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come on grossman? mimi?
are you guys all talk and no action?...........
it matters not what you have climbed but how you have treated other climbers.....
thats my quote and i am sticking by it. Mr donini, you are one of the most respectable dudes on here tell me my quote is wrong.
so come on grossman.....WTF? all talk and no action? send mimi after the "doubters"?
your word aint worth sh#t if you wont man up.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jul 28, 2011 - 01:46am PT
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granted many know i am no fan of PtHP, but you gotta admit it's pretty friggin funny to watch him try to make himself somehow a part of this "ongoing story", now that he has a small vested interest in making it a "story" (i.e. a paid gig writing about it, possibly, if he can get anything good to break loose).
"maysho can you comment?"
"come fwd and apologize, we'll all have beers on the bridge"
"i have mad spies doing dumbass things for no reason"
give it a rest man, you are a spectator, that's it.
as for hawkeye- you are pretty bent on SG, you know what? he has an email address... what makes you think he's reading this thread? he seems to have checked out, IMO.
coz- i agree
this dweeb poster has a one trck mind as a poster on ST:
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?cur=20&dcid=PT8zOjs5PSc,&ftr=
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jul 28, 2011 - 01:53am PT
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Hawkeye, youre a big mouth faceless troll, name calling someone out on the internet. 100's of photos posted on Supertopo under your handle, but none of them of climbing.
I don't dispute Steve G. should either do the route or not, and he would certainly be much higher in my estimation if he apoligized. I think everyone knows now that he was in the wrong, but maybe himself and Mimi. But your method of calling him out, does it make you any better then the shitters? Or are you just wallowing in it and don't care as long as no one knows who you are? Pretty cowardly dude.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:01am PT
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Funny how controversial routes roll.
Caldwell or somebody could probably walk up in one day and repeat "Growing Up" on half-dome and have something to say bout it, and that route almost undeniably has some very classic crack climbing on it.
Yet it has no second ascent either. Why? Too long a hike? Nobody wants to be in a position to have to state an unpopular opinion? Fear of being shut down on a route that's respect-challenged.
I dunno, just askin
peace
Karl
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:05am PT
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this dweeb poster has a one trck mind as a poster on ST:
Well, yes Matt, that's true.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:07am PT
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hmmm, long way from the road, karl.
not as many adventure climbers in the valley as you might think.
i know a couple guys thinking of doing it.
also- 'has no reported 2nd' would be more accurate.
like WoS, that route could also see some ascents of the early pitches only, no?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:24am PT
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studly,
good post. think about it. SG called these guys out not in person, but in a friggin how to book. and SG said he was going to climb the route. Talk is cheap. sorry but in my day, talk meant sumtin. so WTF Grossman?
If SG has the balls then he will apologize. otherwise his word aint worth sh#t.
if he at least comes forward then there is no room for us faceless internet handles to ream on him....
EDIT:
\just saw your post RJ. you are correct in that SG has some reputation to uphold and it is up to him to decide on how that ought to be done. and for your info, i have climbed with the greatest climbers of the day G. (Lowe, House, Webster). BFD. i have free soloed 5.11d. BFD. i have on site free soloed 5.10d...BFD...
none of that sh#t matters...what matters is SG threw these guys (WoS) under the bus then said he would climb the route then did not. i dont give a sh#t how many "buddies" he has on this website. he claimed he was gonna do something and then did not. so where is the man to stand up and explain?
i do not expect wonders. as you mentioned i do not use my real name and therefore my worth is less. fine. but damn it, if i said i was gonna do something then i ought to at least do it or explain why not. i dont use my name for personal reasons...but i grew up with the idea that if you said you were gonna do something hen you bye god did it or at least explained why you did not.
and if i am wrong, if i am being an a-hole, i will have no problem telling the world what an ass i have been,
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:33am PT
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Lovegasoline: The slab I.Q. is thus engaged.
I clearly lacked "slab I.Q." that day at Whitehorse. I pride myself on getting down to the millimeter level when examining options for small marginal pro when free climbing and I couldn't for the life of me see or comprehend anything that qualified as a 'line', let alone a consistently repeatable route. Every ascent from my perspective would likely involve new sequences - but, those guys were slab climbers and they clearly had a sixth sense about it all and could really move over stone I would have considered impossible to free climb.
Also, from a bolting / risk perspective, it would seem to me that pretty much every bolted line, but especially slabs, are by definition contrived from a risk perspective - BY certainly is and I suspect we can safely say the top of Growing Up is as well. How could they not be - someone made a personal / executive / FA decision on the bolt spacing - isn't that 'contrived'?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:38am PT
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rox- good posts there
if someone (anyone) is going to state that SG SAID HE WAS GOING TO CLIMB WOS, please back that up with a link to the post you are refering to.
taking about climbing a climb and simply saying that you can AND will do so is not the same thing.
if you are telling another to back it up, back it up yourself.
implications do not count, fyi...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:40am PT
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Da-dweeb is clearly a DEVOTED WOS groupie, with his avatar being interested in one thing only, WOS. 48 posts and ALL on various WOS threads.
Accurate, accurate, and accurate.
This also must mean he is likely to be actually a well known poster locally who wants to bag on them without being called out himself..
Inaccurate.
As I have stated previously, I am a former student of Mark Smith's, I don't believe I'm well known anywhere but World of Warcraft, and at present I don't have a desire to bag on anyone. Irregardless, it would appear that I am being called out.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:54am PT
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DMT:
Mimi = Shitter
Swilliam = couldn't go, so smeared some refried beans in the mix... to help out
Third Shitter = aahhhh, I'll keep that one on the dl for now...
Cheers!
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 02:57am PT
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Well, as you yourself seem to admit, you are exercising a compulsion or a fascination with WOS.
True. This may very well be the most legendary thread I have ever seen in any forum, anywhere, and that includes any Warcraft realm forum I've seen. At this point I have a semi-morbid, semi-optimistic fascination and curiosity about how all of this will end.
It just seems kinda strange that with all the various controversies in climbing THIS is what brings your avatar back, over and over. If you are NOT a well know poster under another name, why are you so singl mindedly pursuing this single issue? You would be welcome on other threads.
Well, that's a fair point. Like I said, I have some personal connection as Mark Smith was one of the most positive influences in my life while I was younger, and is still a good friend. At this point what brought me back was my completion of my own copy of the book Wings of Steel, and a curiosity as to how things had progressed in this thread. What keeps me here is a suspenseful curiosity about what Ammon and Kait found in their recently completed Second Ascent, as well as an interest in seeing how that changes the dynamic of interaction between all parties concerned.
Not much else to say, really. If Thorium Brotherhood or Wyrmrest Accord mean anything to you let me know and I'll PM you my character name.
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
California
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Jul 28, 2011 - 03:15am PT
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YAAARRRRRR.... goooood night
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 28, 2011 - 03:18am PT
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Ah the mystery third shitter on the grassy knoll.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 28, 2011 - 03:29am PT
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This I disagree with insofar as ground up slab climbs are very often bolted at available natural stances, which dictate the degree of runout and hence risk.
I could certainly be wrong and never given it a shot, but I find it a somewhat dubious proposition that on B-Y there were no more possible places to have hung on a hook to drill other than the four he did. Seems to me he probably made some choices around that and wanted it spicy but survivable. Again, if that's wrong please feel free to jump in and say so.
As far as ground up drilling, I have no doubt it's stance to stance, but I've been on a few that were spicy even though there were intermediate stances. That's certainly not to say they are all that way.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jul 28, 2011 - 04:57am PT
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Also, from a bolting / risk perspective, it would seem to me that pretty much every bolted line, but especially slabs, are by definition contrived from a risk perspective - BY certainly is and I suspect we can safely say the top of Growing Up is as well. How could they not be - someone made a personal / executive / FA decision on the bolt spacing - isn't that 'contrived'?
Well, on the other hand, most cracks can be protected at will and so different Ascents often have very different levels of boldness in climbing routes defined by cracks.
I'm not sure how that's any more noble. I'm not judging it, it is what it is, but to me climbing is climbing and there are many mediums for it, Ice, cracks, Slab, aid, free, yada, yada.
we create an ego identification with the climbing we do and the status quo in our community of kindred climbers (where we often conform) and then get defensive when somebody goes against our grain.
Until times change and yesterdays puritans become todays hangdogggers and sport climbers (including perhaps some who pooped on ropes)
Peace
Karl
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 28, 2011 - 06:26am PT
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I'm not sure how that's any more noble...
You should take that up with 'Rudder', he's the one pushing the the manufactured contrivance argument. My comments were in reaction to his, and the fact I find this argument, if accepted at face value, to be one which necessarily paints with rather broad strokes tainting some otherwise sacred cows in the process.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 06:34am PT
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Rokjox-
Sorry, I don't play games…they wasted too much time unless you are hopelessly snowed in. Aye, there’s something to be said for that. Point of fact I left it behind a year ago on entering grad school due to the time commitment WoW required. I value my experiences with the game though, it has led to some great friendships with folk from all around the planet.
The finest purpose of Supertop in my opinion is the gathering and condensing of climbing history into one place, using the actual first (and second) person testimony of the participants. I know of no other sport where the past has become pursued in quite this way and with this intensity.
Indeed. Point of fact, tracking Ammon’s past and present exploits here has me wondering if I’m not yet too old to get into Wingsuit Base Jumping – some of the videos about it have nearly brought me to tears, and I can honestly say I hear it calling to me. Also, that man is out of his freaking mind, and I respect the hell out of him for it.
Similarly, I am glad for ST as a platform for participant testimony to be provided. Like I’ve mentioned, this is without a doubt the first place where Smith and Jensen have been able to express their side of the Wings of Steel story to a significant part of the climbing community, and I’m very happy for their sake to see what’s come of it. I do genuinely hope that differences between all parties can be reconciled before the end of the day on all of this.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 28, 2011 - 07:34am PT
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so Mimi? lol. were you a shitter? dont worry that aint my kink. MR Grossman? how come you did not man up? how come you actually wrote up these guys in a how to book?
each of you have been quiet lately. for all your hatred on the topic one would think that you might have something to say.
edit:
i did not think that riley had a humorous bone....good one
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