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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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The universe is truly indifferent to every squeal and bleat any human expresses.
How can the universe be said to be indifferent to the human mind if, in fact, the structure of the universe gave birth to that mind? Apparently the universe was open to mind's becoming, apparently somewhere in the structure of what is the potential for mind existed, apparently mind/consciousness was facilitated by the universe you claim to be indifferent and I would argue the very structure of the universe is tendentious when it comes to mind's existence.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado & Nepal
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And that attitude is exactly why we need the humanities. Otherwise in the name of saving our own skin, we shall destroy ourselves.
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WBraun
climber
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The universe is truly indifferent to every squeal and bleat any human expresses.
That's not true at all.
If it was there would be no karmic reaction.
Karma is none other than simple physics.
For every action, there is a reaction.
Karma is completely material in nature.
That's why the gross materialists are called karmies.
Everything the gross materialist does cause something else to happen in duality .......
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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but none of what we think matters beyond saving our own skin.
Humanity has seen to it that the reason for existence is not simply survival. Humanity has, through its mind, intellect, reason, taken us beyond the cold simplicity of evolutionary processes and created valid and compelling reasons for being within the structure of human culture. When those in science dismiss culture as nothing more than manifestations of vestiges of evolutionary processes they undermine a real validity that efficiently reconciles us to being.
What we think matters to us, and that makes what we think important and vital.
What the education industry's ass extrudes as far as what's employable has the real word participants wondering who are these people ?
Getting an education is not about getting a job it's about getting an education.
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WBraun
climber
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Getting an education is not about getting a job it's about getting an education.
Not anymore.
That's why there are so many stoopid one trick ponies now ......
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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MH2: The cultural verbal expression on the Mind thread will never come closer to something real than you do when shooting shadows with a gun...
This almost requires an explanation . . . unless you have nothing to say.
Old men fooling around like this... you should be ashamed of yourself...
Ha-ha. You make it sound lascivious. Should we wink at each other slyly?
There is nothing out of bounds in my pasture.
Jgill, thank you.
Paul: Humanity has seen to it that the reason for existence is not simply survival.
I’ll say. It takes pounding one’s head against the world technically forcefully to realize that simple fact. We are more than our body.
Jim Brennan: . . . most people have to pull their weight so as to enjoy their life.
This presents a vulgar view of life. The Force shall not be found in the bourgeoise. (There’s not much more to be said about this.)
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Duck: Not anymore.
Don’t generalize. It’s stereotyping. You can see what you see, or you can see something else.
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WBraun
climber
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I will generalize and stick to it on that particular point.
Sorry but the data shows ......
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yanqui
climber
Balcarce, Argentina
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people have to pull their weight
That's part of the fun of climbing!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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I saw "Ghost in the Shell" last night. Starring Scarlett J.
Pretty damn good, actually. It's another one exploring the connections
between mind and machine, AI and meaning, purpose and value (mpv), etc..
I recommend it if you want to be entertained along these lines.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219827/?ref_=nv_sr_1
I bet the imdb 6.7 (pretty good) rating sends to 7.0-plus (very good) rating over time.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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After getting an education, most people have to justify it by putting themselves to work in one form or another.
Even without an education, most people have to pull their weight so as to enjoy their life. There's many people who can talk with paid for eloquence about "what is mind" and really sound convincing while making cups of coffee.
Every teen aged idealist should have a chat with a financial counselor about the realities of money before signing up for any path of post secondary knowledge.
Work doesn't justify education. Education is an achievement in and of itself. It is self-justifying. Education allows for potentials in life which we are otherwise unaware of. Education can yield a more full and enriched life. If your education happens to correspond to your vocation fine, but, again, that's not the point of an education. Everyone has to work, you don't need an education to work, you don't need an education at all, but if you have one life becomes a whole lot more interesting in unexpected ways.
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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MH2: The cultural verbal expression on the Mind thread ...
An incorrect attribution, Mike.
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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MH2: An incorrect attribution, Mike.
That's a testable fact... No shadow involved...
That was an answer to MikeL.
Jan
I'm sorry...
An old woman foolig around like this, you should be ashamed of yourself...
:o)
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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When those in science dismiss culture as nothing more than manifestations of vestiges of evolutionary processes they undermine a real validity that efficiently reconciles us to being.
I don't believe that any serious observer, in science or outside it, would conclude that human culture, in all its vast array, is "nothing more" than mere evidence of evolutionary determinism.
On the other hand, it would represent a gross oversight to ignore the animal nature of the collective human lifestyle. History, as always, is the greatest teacher in these matters. When an disinterested observer surveys the general course of human events over human history (and paleontologically gleaned from pre-history) what do you think that observer sees?
Science is relatively late to the party of dung-throwing apes.its course has been additive in some ways, enlightening in others, but never "dismissive".
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cintune
climber
The Model Home
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The AI discussion comes and goes here without going much of anywhere, but here's an amusing take on one of the biases our future silicon overlords might harbor:
https://vimeo.com/215741103
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Science is relatively late to the party of dung-throwing apes.its course has been additive in some ways, enlightening in others, but never "dismissive".
"Our ancestor was a hairy quadruped (dung thrower no doubt) furnished with a tail and pointed ears, probably arboreal in his habits. ... with regards to this good fellow, there must have been a necessity in him that inclined him to Greek. And would always incline him to Greek. After all, we got there, didn't we?" Matthew Arnold.
Why the diminishment of what it is to be human as in "dung thrower?" Why not celebrate the remarkable achievements of humanity and the stunning realization that as a human being you recognize the fallible aspects of your species with a desire to mend them: a human characteristic as stunning as the exclusively human development of the scientific method.
If you think those who stand with science are not dismissive go back and read some of the thousands of posts on this thread.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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If you think those who stand with science are not dismissive go back and read some of the thousands of posts on this thread
Seems to me the paunchy beaker boys, the lab coats, and the slide rulers are tolerant in this regard. On the other hand . . .
You know the stereotype: the dufus with the oversized wingtips and white socks and too many pens in his pocket, dreaming of cyber love ... and living forever and ever (JL)
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cintune
climber
The Model Home
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"Do geese see god?"
We know ducks do.
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WBraun
climber
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Everyone sees God always but never recognizes him.
Atheists and gross materialists are prohibited from recognizing God due to their offensive nature against his superior and inferior energies ......
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