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TripL7
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'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 01:51pm PT
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Dr.F!
Like I explained to jstan previously!
The middle aged guy being interviewed by journalist who was describing how he and his two sisters were having investigated for the murders of numerous young boy's, was a serial killer (he specifically states that they were all about 8) was the boy in my story!
See: "Investigating Father" Court TV 2005 Nancy Grace: producer.
I never forgot that man's face(the father) or his wife's face!
Contacted the D.A.'s office here in San Diego, they got in touch with the office that was investigating the case, back to me so and so forth. The investigator on my end here in San Diego was the head of the dept. at the time (70 investigators under him) Said they believed he was the man etc.
things take time.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 02:01pm PT
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Nav!
"In the begginnig was the Word,and the Word was with God,and the Word was God" John 1:1!!
"....and the Word became flesh and dwelt amoung us"! John 1:14.
Jesus is the Word!!
That's what it say's!!
What are you refereing to in the book of Revelations?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 23, 2009 - 02:03pm PT
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"In the begining, there was this thing,
then one thing led to another...."
-Genesis according to Tom Robbins
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 02:29pm PT
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Dr.F!
My explicit apologies, yes I recall the night I wrote/posted the story.
I shouldn't try to explain... but.
It was very late!
Very first time posting story!
First time typing a story letter etc.
I use pen and paper!!
Well guess Iam PROGRESSING IN THE MATERIAL WORLD!!
Long story, They booted me off the computer at work because I crashed the whole system/programs/the whole works back in '01'!!
So I said "Don't need no stinkin computers!!
So when I was typing up the story I couldn't,
figure out how to make paragraphs etc,(yes I agree, noob, dweeb) and at one point, after typing almost everything I lost the whole thing. I got tired and posted it.
I,ll go back and put in the paragraphs etc. many kind words of appreciation to Mighty Hiker for the schooling in that ('looks like TripL7 is having enter/return issues.
I mention that I realises I was rambling in the post
No Media Blitz!! Just trying my best to help you se the 'BIG PICTURE'
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 23, 2009 - 02:51pm PT
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For the agnostics and atheists:
I used to be agnostic but about 99.9% atheist. I believed there could be God, but chances are there is not.
But just over the last few months I've changed my views, I'm still agnostic but much less of an atheist. I've learned more about the reality of the universe and the weird things about it, relativity, quantum mechanics, etc. There's more to the universe than we can see or understand.
We don't know what was before the big bang or what caused it. I've decided to start referring to God as what may beyond our understanding, and what/who may have created the rules the universe operates on. Very similar to what Einstein believed. I still very greatly doubt it's a personal God. But the nice thing is that refering to God gives me something to thank and someone/something to trust. God is such a part of American life, I'd rather relate to what I think God is, than get irritated by other people's idea of God and the idea that people are forcing their beliefs on me.
In the 1950s previously secular American documents and sayings were changed or had God added to them during the communist scare; such as the Pledge of Allegiance, and our National Motto.
Rather than be bothered I decided to change my idea of God, from what some people tell me what God is, to what I believe God is or may be.
"In God we Trust".. sure I trust what I view as God more than the often corrupt ways of man.
I still think man is incredible. And the most amazing example of what is possible in the universe, but there is also much more than man.
In other words I now see God as a secular God. Prayer, spirituality, and the possibility of a higher consciousness are not married to any religion.
It's been very liberating.
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 23, 2009 - 03:12pm PT
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Something Ed H. said earlier had me thinking about Science versus Religion in the context of for want of a better set of terms, "open-mindedness" versus "blind-belief". These two terms represent opposite poles of thought with a continuity of shades in-between.
I submit that there is not a single person who is completely one or the other. Open-mindedness is a valuable trait, I think, if you are a scientist, because it allows one to cast off ideas that don't work in favor of new ideas, or shall I say, theories, that better fit reality.
If you are a man of God, then holding firmly to a set of ideas serves to bring together people sharing the same faith. Coming together is good for a community, it is generally believed.
If the man of faith were too open-minded, then he might come up with original ideas about the nature of God and man's relationship. These types are variously called heretics and apostates. Martin Luther and Calvin are two examples that come to mind.
If you are a scientist, it might not be so useful to be rigid and conformist in your thinking, if you are out to make new discoveries. The data could "speak" to you, but your mind would not be open to different interpretations than the familiar ones.
On the other hand, if you were a scientist at the other extreme, you might find yourself scattered in many directions, because your mind is in flux. Every time an unusual observation comes along you get sidetracked. You might run so many experiments to be certain of the result that you don't get anything done.
So all of us are on this continuum. Some are closer to one end or the other.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 23, 2009 - 03:35pm PT
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Brian - while I agree that we each have a place on your spectrum, I think it's more complicated than that.
Specifically, I think we each have areas in which we are more doggedly determined to hold onto a POV (politics, for example) and other areas where we may be totally open (trying new food, for example).
So one person might be, overall, in the same place on your spectrum as the next person, but rigidly dogmatic about, say, religion. While the next person is, overall, in the same place, but entirely open to all the worlds spiritual concepts.
It's kind of like in climbing - there's a time to run it out, and a time to be conservative and either place gear or back off. We all make the decision of "how" to think about every subject that confronts us, every moment of every day. Of course most of it is done habitually, but it's still a choice.
GO
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 23, 2009 - 04:16pm PT
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You also have to consider Group Think. A person might be more inclined to change his/her mind depending on the prevailing ideas. I would be surprised if a group of strangers on the Interwebs would have equal power of pursuasion as one's best buddies.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 23, 2009 - 04:29pm PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 23, 2009 - 06:15pm PT
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It always amazes me how nutso Bachmann can be.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 23, 2009 - 06:33pm PT
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"What God wants,
God gets.
God help us all."
 Roger Waters
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 06:40pm PT
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Dr.F- "I read the story three times and I still don't get it"
OK Doc! Thanks for the kick in the butt there!
I needed that!
I went back to the first post and realised that I hadn't finished! I also put in paragraphs!!
The Post is #1622 in case you forgot!
Thanks-7-
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 23, 2009 - 06:58pm PT
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So, as I stood there that fateful afternoon, with true evil incarnate looming one foot behind me, I called out with a plea to a Person that I will never forget.
I simply cried out "Jesus please help me" No words can describe what happened next. No words, that I have at least, can describe the supernatural peace that engulfed me at that moment.
And then I heard a voice, not audible, more like a strong thought, that said just walk over to that path, and follow it to the road, and that will take you to your house.
And so I did, as simple as that. I remember walking in past my mother, busy at the stove, and on into the living room were I lay ed on a couch and contemplated what to do next.
It's still not clear exactly what happened there. You just walked away and the guy did nothing?
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 07:04pm PT
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cintune!
I had my back to him.
He was less than two feet away!!
I just simply walked away! He didn't say anything, that I heard!
Or try to stiop me! Period.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 23, 2009 - 07:15pm PT
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But you're sure he was the same as the guy in the documentary you saw?
See, this is how science nerds react to stories like this. We want to know more, we want to correlate the information in order to get at some empirically derived conclusion that satisfies our curiosity and presents a reasonably complete picture of whatever it is that's under consideration. In contrast, a faith-based mindset picks up on the parts of the story that conform to preestablished beliefs, like the one that says Jesus can appear to people out of the blue and change their lives. I mean, you're in good company there, and I don't intend to belittle the experience, but the subjective nature of whole thing just comes across as less than convincing.
What it would take would be for Jesus to speak right into my head as I'm typing this to tell me that it's all true. So far, that hasn't happened.
All I get is a bunch of crap from Werner.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 23, 2009 - 07:24pm PT
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Funny, this thread. The "non-believers" to be the bigger proselytizers.
If you don't like it fine, don't believe in a higher power, fine. STFU already. Why ya gotta harass Christians so much? Most I know don't really talk about.
Funny too how y'all are careful not to criticize Buddhism, Hinduism, and ESPECIALLY Islam.
pretty telling.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Oct 23, 2009 - 07:33pm PT
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 23, 2009 - 07:47pm PT
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Dr.F!
cintune!
jstan!
et.el.
My story at Post #1622.
Was in response to jstan's question regarding weather or not anyone had been involved in church/fundamental belief's (these are my word's)etc. and then left. If you have, how did you cope?
Well my case is kind of unusual in that I never really doubted He was God after that experience at eight.
I just became confused about what the Catholic church had told me about God.
They were the only source of information or teaching that I ever got, and I thought they were the authority on Him!! That,s what they told me. They said if I went into any other church while I was a catholic, I would go to hell when I died.
And many more lies.
What was I to think?
My experience parallel Norton's in that I couldn't believe some of the things were true about the Jesus I new! But who was I to say.
They were the only authority that I new of.
My father was brought up a catholic, but despised the church.
But he let me do as I pleased.
So I continued to go tell twelve when, like Norton, I said enough is enough.
I was fortunate to meet an old nun when I was seven yrs. old with a heart of gold that told us the simple story of how much He loved us.
Which saved my life at the age of eight.
And then at the age of eighteen a young lady showed me that the catholic church is not, I repeat not the authority.
My personal opinion of the catholic church is that they are evil.
Harsh. You ask?
Just read Norton post!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 23, 2009 - 08:02pm PT
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I would have refrained, but, Fet made me do it!
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426 did a 360 to make sure I got that shot, somewhere in the deep south. I'm glad he did, but I was raised to be too polite to rub that crap in perpetrator's noses'.
i's goin' ta hell...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Oct 23, 2009 - 08:19pm PT
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Isn't it entirely possible that science is God. The two are seperate, Faith and Science, but isn't the beauty of science an intelligent design? It's almost perfect, including evolution.
To assume it's one or the other is unscientific. How do you know? Can you prove the absence of God?
Everything I've seen points to intelligent design. Not just in biology, but physics and chemistry.
Equating religion to ignorance is rather simplistic in an atheistic manner. Just because you have no faith or belief in an intelligent designer, then science must be based solely on the wisdom of man.
We have learned to study God's creation and understand it somewhat, but doesn't it bother y'all how well everything fits together in harmony and absolute beauty? Is that evolutionary coincidence, God's plan, or both?
It seems clear to me, from what I've experienced, there is very little doubt. The only 'doubt' comes from not actually saying, "Hi God", face to face.
If you understood religion, you'd know that is impossible. Until you pass.
That's the way it was meant to be. When you pass, you see. Until then, you just feel it in an inexplicable way. Some call it Mother Nature, or 'wonders of nature', or "luck".
I call it something else. I've experienced it. Several times.
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