Discussion Topic |
|
This thread has been locked |
August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
|
|
" including major banks, insurance
companies and pension funds. These are the bodies calling most stridently
for "government action on climate change",
Could it be that the AIG's of the world are worried about $30 billion payouts from Katrina style events and that pension funds might be worried about the health of economy (not to mention actually be interested in the health of the world)? Nah, of course not.
You didn't know that State Farm has secretely cornered the market on electric cars and CalPERS own the only plant in the world that makes solar cells? Well, now you do!
|
|
dirtbag
climber
|
|
Hey geniuses (i.e., BW and CC), one year does not define a trend.
|
|
blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
|
|
Ha ha,
I almost wish Chiloe didn't get scared and run away from this thread. It was amusing to watch him twist and turn and try (and fail) to explain the scare-mongers "tricks."
|
|
blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
|
|
Well AC, I won't fault you for a little name calling since I (sort of) started it) with Chiloe.
But it's interesting that neither you nor your cohort DB had anything to say about the article, which exaplains that global warming ended 15 years ago.
Article seems legit to me. If you disagree, say why. If not, and you just want to call people names, why don't you join your hero Chiloe and go somewhere where people are impressed by Al Gore and the rest of the "scientists" and leave people who actually want to have a reasoned conversation about this topic do so in peace?
|
|
dirtbag
climber
|
|
CC, you cite an opinion in a tabloid as proof. You bonehead.
And blahblah, your opinion means sh#t sir. You are an ignorant layperson. So am I but at least I listen to experts, not those who only confirm what I hope will be true (i.e., that globaly warming ain't true).
|
|
blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
|
|
DB, I listen to experts.
I also at least try to evaluate things critically and with an open mind.
I guess the difference between us is that when so-called experts say something that is apparently contradicted by 15 years of data, I wonder whether the so-called experts may have overlooked something, or whether reality is a bit more complicated that their models. This cited article is just one example and I'm not sure how valid the evidence and arguments presented in it are--we'll see.
We live in an world where there are "experts" on everything. Listen to them, sure, but follow them blindly at your own peril. How'd the financial experts do on those home loans a few years ago?
And when you're asking the public to spend billions/trillions of dollars, the experts better to be able to convince reasonable laypeople that they know what they're talking about.
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
And blahblah, your opinion means sh#t sir. You are an ignorant layperson.
Now bow down before your superior high priests and acknowledge your insignificance!
|
|
TGT
Social climber
So Cal
|
|
|
|
dirtbag
climber
|
|
Now bow down before your superior high priests and acknowledge your insignificance!
Guess what...yours don't mean sh#t either. And neither does mine.
But that doesn't stop blahblah CC and other ignorant fools from having their stupid dumbf*#k opinions.
|
|
Mimi
climber
|
|
It will be interesting to see for ourselves if the mini-ice age we're in for the next 30 years will actually happen. After that, the affects of high levels of CO2 will kick in. This, according to scientists in Britain. Sorry, no link but it's out there. Global warming vs. another ice age. Manhattan under 5 miles of advancing and retreating ice would be a drag. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
|
|
Mimi
climber
|
|
Nice summary, Ed. At least we might have a 30-year delay to advance the science despite the politics. LOL! We need all the time we can get.
|
|
Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
|
|
But some journalists, at least some of the time, let scientists speak in their own words. Andy Revkin had a good piece yesterday highlighting a new article by glaciologist extraordinaire Lonnie Thompson, who "appears to have spent more time on ice fields above 18,000 feet than any human being in history."
Thompson writes:
Why then are climatologists speaking out about the dangers of global warming? The answer is that virtually all of us are now convinced that global warming poses a clear and present danger to civilization ("Climate Change," 2010).
That bold statement may seem like hyperbole, but there is now a very clear pattern in the scientific evidence documenting that the earth is warming, that warming is due largely to human activity, that warming is causing important changes in climate, and that rapid and potentially catastrophic changes in the near future are very possible. This pattern emerges not, as is so often suggested, simply from computer simulations, but from the weight and balance of the empirical evidence as well.
Revkin's article, "The Ice Man Warneth":
http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/the-ice-man-warneth/
Thompson's original, "Climate Change: The Evidence, and Our Options":
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/TBA--LTonly.pdf
|
|
corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
|
|
|
Dec 13, 2010 - 12:57am PT
|
World is getting colder (Warmists in denial))
After the wet and cold centuries of the Little Ice Age (around 1550-1850A.D.), the world's climate recuperated some warmth, but did not replicate the balmy period known as the Middle Age Warm Period (around800-1300 A.D.), when the margins of Greenland were green and England had vineyards...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/30/world-is-getting-colder/
|
|
k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 16, 2010 - 03:55pm PT
|
Oh, those silly scientists. Never should we use them to provide us with those fallacious things known as facts.
From: Sammon, Bill To: 169 -SPECIAL REPORT; 036 -FOX.WHU; 054 -FNSunday; 030 -Root (FoxNews.Com); 050 -Senior Producers; 051 -Producers; 069 -Politics; 005 -Washington Cc: Clemente, Michael; Stack, John; Wallace, Jay; Smith, Sean Sent: Tue Dec 08 12:49:51 2009 Subject: Given the controversy over the veracity of climate change data...
...we should refrain from asserting that the planet has warmed (or cooled) in any given period without IMMEDIATELY pointing out that such theories are based upon data that critics have called into question. It is not our place as journalists to assert such notions as facts, especially as this debate intensifies.
Odd...why do you suppose they believe the debate will intensify?
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!