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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-gabriel-karl-marx-birthday-20180506-story.html
Dear Karl,
Happy birthday! It's tempting to say that much has changed in the 200 years since your birth, but as I sit down to describe those changes, I must admit I am more struck by the similarities than the differences between your time and mine.
...Yes, Karl, after you died in 1883, people discovered your writings and some promptly misused them. There are statues of you in capitals around the globe where governments expounded "Marxism" to deprive people of the very freedoms you extolled. They reinterpreted your vision of "the free development of each" being "the condition for the free development of all" as the freedom to be equally miserable. Indeed, the repression and butchery accomplished in your name during the last century would horrify you.
Do you remember your high hopes for democracy? How you believed free speech, universal education and the vote would help usher in a world that created the greatest good for the greatest number? It hasn't really worked out that way. While so-called Marxists operating under a communist banner expunged rights around the globe, capitalists busily subverted democracy in a long and insidious hostile takeover.
Don't get me wrong. The initial benefits of capitalism were tremendous. Humankind's possibilities soared. Scientific, technological and medical discoveries ensured that people lived longer and better. The arts flourished because people had leisure time to read, paint and compose. Natural resources were harnessed to improve agriculture, so everyone could eat. It really was marvelous, but as you said, for the capitalist, marvelous isn't enough. That omnivorous beast hungers eternally for more and bigger profits.
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In the past 40 years, especially, such capitalists have turned democracies on their heads. Most of those governments are no longer of the people or for the people. They serve one constituent: business. Politicians are bought by the dozen, the highest echelons of government bureaucracies are peopled with titans of industry and finance and their minions, and laws are written to protect corporate interests over people's interests. Citizens of democracies, who fought so hard in your century for the right to vote, have seemed to lose interest in the ballot when faced with the powerful adversary, capital. The vote has been devalued, and like any commodity, it has been snapped up by savvy investors who understand its power.
I remember how much you admired Abraham Lincoln and how you thought that brilliant son of the working class embodied everything good and great about the United States. Well, I hate to tell you, but the man now occupying Lincoln's house is your old capitalist friend Mr. Moneybags. I recently reread your "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844" and laughed because you described him to a tee when you wrote about the wizardry of money, which can turn even a brute into a prince. "I am ugly, but I can buy for myself the most beautiful of women. Therefore I am not ugly, for the effect of ugliness — its deterrent power — is nullified by money. … I am bad, dishonest, unscrupulous, stupid; but money is honored and hence its possessor. … Does not all my money, therefore, transform all my incapacities into their contrary?" You must have had a crystal ball in the Paris apartment where you wrote those words.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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I am not pro Mao or communism but once those folks decide to do something they do not mess around.
They're not real big on public hearings or environmental assessments.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Marx predicted that, like previous socio-economic systems, capitalism produced internal tensions which would lead to its self-destruction and replacement by a new system: socialism.
And here we are... 170 years later... still waiting for socialism to overtake Capitalism.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 24, 2018 - 01:17pm PT
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Watch out! The commies are on the march!
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) wants large employers such as Amazon, Walmart and McDonald's to fully cover the cost of food stamps, public housing, Medicaid and other federal assistance received by their employees. The goal, he said, is to force corporations to pay a living wage and curb roughly $150 billion in taxpayer dollars that go to funding federal assistance programs for low-wage workers each year.
Sanders plans to introduce a bill in the Senate on Sept. 5 that would impose a 100% tax on government benefits received by workers at companies with 500 or more employees. For example, if an Amazon employee receives $300 in food stamps, Amazon would be taxed $300.
"At a time of massive wealth and income inequality, the gap between the very rich and everyone else continues to grow wider," Sanders said.
Labor groups say that gap is particularly pronounced at the nation's largest and most profitable companies, including Walmart, which has roughly 2.2 million workers, and Amazon, which employs more than 575,000.
Public records obtained by the New Food Economy, a nonprofit news organization, show that thousands of Amazon employees rely on the government's Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program to make ends meet. As many as 1 in 3 Amazon employees in Arizona — and about 1 in 10 in Pennsylvania and Ohio — receive food stamps, according to an April report by the New Food Economy, based in New York.
Amazon spokeswoman Melanie Etches said the figures were misleading. "They include people who only worked for Amazon for a short period of time and/or who chose to work part-time," she said in a statement. "We have hundreds of full-time roles available, however, some prefer part-time for the flexibility or other personal reasons."
Sanders' bill would be an extension of a petition he started Tuesday calling on the world's richest man, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, to pay workers a living wage and to improve working conditions at Amazon warehouses. As of Thursday morning, it had 105,000 signatures. (Bezos also the owns the Washington Post.)
"While Mr. Bezos is the most egregious example, the Walton family of Walmart and many other billionaire-owned profitable corporations also enrich themselves off taxpayer assistance while paying their workers poverty-level wages," Sanders said. Representatives for Walmart did not respond to requests for comment.
Bezos, who founded Amazon in 1994, has seen his net worth steadily climb in recent months as the stock market hits record highs. He is worth $157 billion, up from $99 billion a year ago, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. The median Amazon worker, meanwhile, was paid $28,446 last year, according to company filings. (The federal poverty level for a family of four is $24,600.)
Amazon spokeswoman Etches said her company had created more than 130,000 new jobs "with highly competitive pay and full benefits" in the last year. She added that the average hourly wage for full-time workers in U.S. warehouses is more than $15 an hour, when stock and incentive bonuses are factored in.
"We encourage anyone to compare our median pay and benefits to other retailers," Etches said.
The company did not say how many of its workers are part-time, but said it hires thousands of temporary workers during peak holiday times.
Amazon reported profit of $3.03 billion last year as its sales climbed 31% to $178 billion.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Aug 25, 2018 - 10:35am PT
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I f*#king love the Communists (OT) thread.
Me, too. It's loaded with hilarity. My favorite bit was when Bluering advocated for worker's councils (AKA soviets) in factories. It's too bad he deleted that post.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 25, 2018 - 10:38am PT
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Strictly speaking ‘soviets’ were any community council. 😉
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 19, 2019 - 12:02pm PT
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Paul Robeson has been mentioned. And here's another bass, Leonid Kharitonov.
Song of the Volga Boatmen - Red Army Chorus - Leonid Kharitonov - Леонид Харитонов
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Before anyone take this BEAUTIFUL song and praise or reject it by political reasons, remember that it was composed in 1866. Long before October Revolution (1917). This song is not an anthem for communism, it's just an expression of Russian folklore and I would thank to you all that any cultural expressions don't be used as political or ideological tools.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Feb 19, 2019 - 01:45pm PT
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Don't trust a preacher who uses arcane icons.
From the GARY link above which tries to accuse Ike of being a Dirty Red.
Jeb Stuart Thurmond
Jeb Stuart Thurmond is online now
Didn't write the Bible, just obeys it
Public Awareness Medal One Year/1000 posts Long service medal, 2nd class Saved 1 Year True Christian™ Real American™ Saved 5 Years Gold Tither Heaven Bound TC Bravery TC Bravery Protected by JESUS Ex-Masturbator Super Soaker Baptism Award Ready for the Rapture True Christian Caucasian Tagging for Jesus Teabag Patriot Friend of Jesus Flat Earth Tell her once Persecuted Porn Resistant Pro-Life Eats the Most Pork True Republican Sons of Liberty Loves a GODLY Chic-Fil-A Guns, Guts and GLORY! Hatchet Child Rearing Award Touched by Jesus Alternative Facts
Also cannot be rid of his Confedirt Flag tattoo on his belly.
Hobbies are knife-thowin' and hog-butchern.
Wife goes to Weight Watchers and has gotten down to her goal of 250 pounds.
Insists his dog has a nose for Commies.
Knows what an ad hominem attack is.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 19, 2019 - 05:06pm PT
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LOL @ global GDP growth
Global debt used to be roughly equal to GDP, now 3X.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2019 - 05:34pm PT
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Economics is rather more nuanced than two charts that are basically meaningless.
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 19, 2019 - 05:39pm PT
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Real purchasing power stayed the same + government and household debt explosion = ?
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formerclimber
Boulder climber
CA
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Feb 19, 2019 - 05:49pm PT
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I haven't lived in the 50s-60s, but supposedly one wage earner in the US could support a family with multiple children and pay off a house doing a simple no-education required job of minimum wage variety, like working at a store.
Looking at some numbers from the 50s (average home price, average store clerk wage, food prices): it seems to be true.
Interesting how life really was in the 50-60s (before the corporations figured they can double the workforce by having most women work too, and cutting the wages accordingly)
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 19, 2019 - 10:47pm PT
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I think you guys take this thread too seriously.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Feb 20, 2019 - 01:44am PT
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yeah dude. berg heil Gary. whatchya been doin' lately?
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capseeboy
Social climber
portland, oregon
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Feb 20, 2019 - 07:25am PT
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Uh, well, I'm pretty sure the Capitalist American corporations invaded Communist China a little while ago and they are like, sooo pissed off! Then again, I could be Wong.
Rage on! Best laugh today.
Edit#1 BTW don't fergit to checkov oonter de bed befoul beddy bye. Sneaky SOB's.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2019 - 08:03am PT
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formerclimber, you should see the house my plumber lives in.
The bricklayer across the street has done all right, too...
I guess he bought his bricks from a corporation, huh?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 20, 2019 - 08:17am PT
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Ahhh... yo' republicans love anecdotal evidence... which of course makes no sense.... unless it's intuitively evident... to the believer...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2019 - 08:22am PT
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yeah dude. berg heil Gary. whatchya been doin' lately?
TBC, nothing! Just slogging up some desert peaks is all. Oh, I did switch voting registration to Democrat so I can vote for Sanders in the primary.
In solidarity,
Gary
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 20, 2019 - 08:26am PT
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You can’t eat anecdotes or bricks but you can’t live on twee smarm, neither. Had a truck driver next door, got an old carpenter next door, and an electrician up the block. You don’t have to go to CalTech to do well in America. Actually, two of my CalTech PhD friends really aren’t doing that well. I guess studying spider brains doesn’t trump brick laying. Life is about making good choices, too.
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