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Larry Nelson
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Feb 24, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
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From reading this forum thread from time to time I see that many here truly believe that nothing a republican ever says could be right. I also know that illegal immigration is not a simple issue, and presidential authority ebbs and flows with the times.
Here is a part of a speech given on the Senate floor today by republican Jeff Sessions. I am curious on what points would he be wrong?
A number of things have been happening today with regard to the funding of the Department of Homeland Security. There’s been a lot of spin about that and that somehow the Republicans are blocking the funding of the Department of Homeland Security. This gives new meaning to the word “obfuscation,” I suppose, or “dis-ingenuousness.” The truth is, the House of Representatives has fully funded the Department of Homeland Security. It’s provided the level of funding the President asked for. It’s kept all the accounts at Homeland Security as approved through the congressional process. It simply says, but, Mr. President, we considered your bill, this amnesty bill that will provide work permits, photo IDs, Social Security numbers, Medicare benefits. You can’t do that. We considered that and rejected it. So we’re not going to fund that.
Now, the President has told us and his staff that they have across the river in Crystal City, they’re leasing a new building and this building is going to hire a thousand workers, paid for by the taxpayers of the United States, part of Homeland Security. Are those thousand workers going to be utilized to enforce the laws of the United States? Are they going to process applications for citizenship or visas? No. Those 1,000 people, costing several hundred million dollars, in truth, those people are going to be processing and providing these benefits to people unlawfully in America…
So Congress says, wait a minute, we didn’t authorize money for that. You can’t spend money to fund exactly the opposite of what we’ve enacted. So we’re just going to put some language in the bill, the normal bill that funds Homeland Security, and say you can’t spend the money to violate the law. You can only spend the money to enforce the law, like you were supposed to do. And the bill comes to the Senate and what spectacle do we have? We have the Democratic members in lockstep unity blocking even proceeding to this bill. And they contend that we’re not funding Homeland Security. Can you imagine that? …
Congress is a coequal branch. It’s not subordinate to the President. If anything, the Constitution provides even more power to the legislative…. The most power in Congress is the power of the purse. Congress is not obligated to pay for anything it believes is unwise, and it has an absolute duty not to fund anything that’s unconstitutional or illegal, which is what we’re dealing with here. So the House of Representatives acted wisely, properly, funding Homeland Security and not allowing activities to be carried out that are unlawful and that Congress has rejected…
How my colleagues have the gall to come to the floor, have a press conference this afternoon, and blame Republicans for shutting down Homeland Security is beyond me.
Now, there are some even on the Republican side that say, “Oh, gosh,” you know, “The President will blame us even if it’s not our fault and we might as well cave in and give him what he wants.” But what he wants is something he can’t be given. What he wants is for Congress to capitulate and erode its powers and responsibility. He wants Congress to violate its duty, to fund something that is illegal and contrary to Congress’s wishes. He can’t demand that. He has no right to demand that.
So Congress cannot fund—cannot, must not fund—an illegal action in hopes that another branch of government will intervene. Now, I say that because some have said, “Well, a court has ruled in Texas that a part of this action by the President is unlawful.” The court was narrow in its decision… I would point out that the Texas court’s injunction addresses only a part of Obama’s lawless actions and could be lifted at any time.
We should stand up for Congresses in years to come, for our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren, and defend the power of the purse and defend the integrity of this Congress. …
I think that Senate Democrats and the President must answer why they believe funding executive amnesty and unlawful immigration policies would make this country safer. They say, “Well, you won’t pass a Homeland Security bill like we want it, you’re not making America safe.” I say that their policies eviscerating law enforcement are making America less safe.
We want to fund fully Homeland Security. We want the laws enforced. We don’t want to spend money from Homeland Security to eviscerate the law of the United States and undermine immigration law in America, and we don’t want to fund an unlawful action by the President.
One of the things that was done in this executive amnesty that’s been too little commented on, when the President signed these orders in November, is another policy, another program that has not been authorized by law that would add several hundred thousand new workers to our country… Now, the H-1B program was set up for certain individuals to come and work for three years and then extend maybe another three years, …and it does allow the spouses to come, but since its beginning, it barred spouses from working, or else we were doubling the number of workers. So this [executive action] now just up and approved the ability of spouses of H-1B workers to work. The United States Citizenship and Immigration Service estimates—and I’m reading from [their release], “the number of individuals eligible to apply for employment authorization under this rule could be as high as 179,600 in the first year and 55,000 annually in subsequent years.” …
Well, what if your child wants a job? What if you want a job? What if your spouse wants a job and is looking at a job and now we’ve got another, what, 250,000 job applicants, contrary to law?
The first thing we should do is be focusing on getting jobs for Americans that are unemployed. Are we going to keep Americans on welfare and benefits while we bring in more and more foreigners to take jobs when we’ve got Americans ready and willing to take those jobs?
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dirtbag
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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A lot of it is a load of crap.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 25, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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Larry, you appear to be unaware that we live in a post-Constitutional republic.
John
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 25, 2015 - 03:48pm PT
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Apparently the Republicans think holding the Country Hostage is Constitutional.
I never read that it's OK to use extortion to get your way when you don't have the votes in the Constitution.
What Obama did by deferring the millions of being deported was completely legal according to the Constitution, unfortunately, the Repubs lie about completely and call it amnesty and all other kinds of BS..
What the Republicans are doing would be the same as the Dems sending GW Bush a bill that would only keep the Gov. open if he pulled all the troops out of Iraq.
What would have Bush done?
Is holding the Gov. hostage a proper way of Governing?
Is it Constitutional?
The Repubs filibustered more bills in the last 6 years than ever before, there obstruction will come back to haunt them.
Now they want to be bi-partisan?? I can hear all of America saying the chorus in unison "You Senate Republicans Can GFYS"
They have done and continue to do everything in their power to Destroy Obama no matter what he does, it's a despicable demonstration hate and small mindedness.
I call that Un-Patriotic
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Feb 25, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 25, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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More Unconstitutional Polices started by Bush
Wire tapping!!!
This is new, very new and very disturbing.
Only Thom Hartmann has talked about it, the mainstream media won't touch this.
It appears that anyone can buy something called a "Stingray", which acts as a portable Cell Tower.
The police have been buying them by the scads and setting them up along the highway, or down the street of a crack house etc...
and can listen in to every Cell Phone that comes within range
As a public service announcement, don't talk on your phone about things that you don't want the police to hear, especially while driving
Now we know why so many folks are getting picked off.. we are being listened to not just by the Feds, but also local law enforcement.
Thanks BUSH
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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John wrote:
Larry, you appear to be unaware that we live in a post-Constitutional republic.
Yeah John, it is troubling how executive orders seem to be trumping a legislature overwhelmingly voted in to oppose those policies.
We also have a justice department that is highly politicized combined with a compliant press.
Having said that, I would love to see Bush's worst legacy abolished, and democrats shouldn't get a pass on it.
Homeland security, was a bipartisan and terrible kneejerk reaction to Sept. 11.
It is a huge waste of federal funds.
It's disaster preparedness and responses are poor.
Law enforcement agencies are way too militarized.
Surveillance culture in the U.S. gets bigger every year.
Immigration is another story and a difficult situation. I'd go after employers, don't harrass those here. But if we're a nation of laws, which separates us from most countries, let's enforce them, or rescind them. Should illegal immigration remain illegal?
I know many immigrants who waited in line, did the right thing and were proud when their citizenship or work visa's were accepted. I must admit that if I was living in squalor down South, I'd try to get here to work also. Go after the employers, but don't open up all social services to those who cut in line.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:04pm PT
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Larry
you display a sick sense of anti-patriotism and a blatant disrespect for the President
which makes you just another tool for the right wing hate media.
I'm sorry that you drank the kool aid.
Does that make you feel better? spreading lies about Obama?
The rest of us Un-tainted by the propaganda are doing just fine thank you
legislature overwhelmingly voted in to oppose those policies. By 23% of the population?? That was not overwhelmingly.
No, it was bought and paid for by the Big Buck Fascists
Similar to a coup, impose the party with the least votes upon the people. They have no idea what they voted for or didn't vote for.
Dems received 10s of millions of more votes than the Republicans last election, but the Repubs won the majority anyway, they rigged the system, minority rule by forced imposition.
I just can't figure out why someone would Support these Right Wingers after everything they have done?
The only answer is Brain washing, and we all know they have the best brain washing techniques known to man working 24/7 on every media outlet.
Thanks Conservatives, you really screwed us once again.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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Wade Icey...Clean up on ailse 5...The Chief...
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:51pm PT
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Craig,
I know you are passionate about politics and I do not question your motives or character, and wish my climbing was on your level.
However, when it comes to those who thrust themselves into the public arena, it's fair game. Wasn't it fair game for you with the last president? It was for me then, it is for me now.
Didn't you question authority in your youth? I did then, and I do now.
What I find interesting about the left is that it WANTS to be counter-culture, but:
They own the universities. They own Hollywood. They own the music industry. They own the media. They own the unions. They own the government employees. They own the high tech industries.
And They're going to 'stick it to the man' by agreeing with all of them?
Now when I am traveling and get to watch TV, I watch liberals like Bill Maher and John Stewart. The most hilarious movie scene of all time may the the puppet sex of "Team America". I find them all hilarious, and they skewer both sides.
But because they don't skewer the current administration as much, I will step in where you won't.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 25, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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Barry Sorreto and mister Heinz believe that by their charms they can talk the Persians out of procuring nukes.
Meanwhile they build full scale models of our carriers to practice their peaceful intentions.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
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Too bad The Chief wasn't on board...
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crankster
Trad climber
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Feb 25, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
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Oh man, all the wingNUTS are on board tonight.
They post inane photos from rightwing blogs, but NEVER post anything regarding policy. Like their counterparts in congress they are devoid of ideas, clueless how to govern.
Affordable Care Act bad! Our alternative....(silence)
Immigration action bad! Our alternative....(silence)
War against terror bad! Our alternative...(silence)
Soon, the Republican class of '16 will take the stage. Then we'll see. Hear Trump might join. Gonna be fun.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
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I am curious if any of the conservatives can interpret the bold part of the Constitution:
Section. 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
What are the limitations on this power?
By the way, do the strict constructionists allege that the presence of the word "HE" means that a woman is not eligible???
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 25, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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Chief, you are ignoring the very simple question that I asked. What are the limitations on the President's Constitutional Pardon power?
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Feb 25, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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Pyro - LOL! Good one!
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