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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Jul 27, 2011 - 09:30pm PT
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Steve Grossman. you wrote the "ethics" and i use that term loosely, chapter in the BW book correct?
you said you were going to climb WOS correct?
so why are you so quiet now?
talk is cheap.......unless you get paid for a chapter in a BW book, then you got paid, rite? then you said you would climb the route......again worthless talk.....
so far your reputation is taking a down turn because you are not man enough to say that you could have been wrong.
let me be strait......you suck.
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Meaty
climber
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Jul 27, 2011 - 09:49pm PT
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DMT, I heard someone is still open to selling you the shiitty names,LOL!!!
.......... but if you paypal Russ he'll jerk your chain so hard your nuts are gonna be swollen for a year.
Again, no secret, one of most well known so-called secrets ever in Yosemite, .......but just not for you...and I can't stop laughing at you.
You're gonna be surprised when you find out exactly who it was!!!!
No bullshit about it!
Oh, and it wasn't me.......NO BULLSH#T...LOL!
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Jul 27, 2011 - 09:55pm PT
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Is one of the YOSOR crew (Yosemite Sh!t on Ropes crew) deceased?
I have been putting my collection of clues together . . . . . .
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:22pm PT
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A bunch of buckaroos.
B ig
U gly
C aucasian
K infolk
A lways
R ehashing
O ld
O ld
S tories
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:37pm PT
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One wonders how my spies have been doing? It is almost dusk in the west...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:41pm PT
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I should think who the WoS shitters, cutters, choppers, and bombardiers are is largely irrelevant at this point - they know who they are and if it weren't a lowlife thing to do we'd all know who they were. Given we don't, is it really necessary to pry beyond that?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:43pm PT
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oh sure, why knott?
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:45pm PT
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The ballsiest thing a Sh|tter could do, would be to 'fess up to Mark and Richard. Apologize, and ask for forgiveness.
Mark and Richard are practising Christians. They have NO CHOICE but to forgive when asked.
To say you were sorry would be proud and super hardcore. It would go a long way towards healing a lot of hurt hearts.
Then we could all laugh about it, and drink some beers together, because forgiveness means just that - to make a conscious decision to let the other person off the hook, completely and forever.
Beers on the bridge together, sh|tters and shat upon. Beers - Except maybe Mark and Richard. Unless maybe we could get 'em drunk. Now THAT would be funny! It would probably take only take half a can each!
How long til we get 5000 WoS posts total?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:50pm PT
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Beers on the bridge together, sh|tters and shat upon
yes. like a pod of butterflys riding unicorns over a rainbow. love, reign o'er me.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:52pm PT
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The energizer bunny - that's exactly how I think of you, except maybe a version that has a lot in common with the con artiste in 'Little Big Man' who kept losing parts.
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Jul 27, 2011 - 10:54pm PT
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i keep going and going and going....
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Jul 27, 2011 - 11:20pm PT
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Dingus, maybe we need to set a bounty on the Sh|tters' identity?
I offered up the princely sum of $6.66 for outing the shitters way back when. Perhaps more motivation might help the cause. ;-)
Since then I have leaned the identity of the shitters, but will knott be divulging names - at any price.
It would be great if they themselves came forward, but I'm most certainly knott holding my breath!
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Jul 27, 2011 - 11:30pm PT
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A couple more "irregardlessess(?)" would be really cool right about now...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:21am PT
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regardless of the shitters names (who some fo you claim to know and many of us dont f*#king care), Mr. Steve Grossman has written a bunch of bullsh#t, said he would climb the route and has done nothing, let me repeat, NOTHING but post on the internet and write a chapter in a How To book on Ethics no less about how WOS was the wrong thing to do.
Grossman.......fess up. you are all talk and no action at a minimum. at the other end of the spectrum, you were wrong and should publicly apologize.
the image of Yosemite "leading climbers" during that time frame now appears to be faceless, nameless bags of sh#t. very unfortunate indeed.
werner, note how i did not call out yosar. sleep well.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:27am PT
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I don't know who you are Hawkeye but I know Grossman and he's the real deal, you might want to soften up.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:34am PT
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Hey, Petey!
Mark and Richard are practising Christians. They have NO CHOICE but to forgive when asked.
Well, hopefully I won't open up a whole new can of worms here, but for purposes of clarification, irregardless of being Christian we are not deprived of free will. We could choose not to forgive, either intentionally or unintentionally. We don't stop being human. However, it is something that we value and aspire to do as we believe God wants us to forgive others as He forgives us. I do believe that Mark and Richard would - out of their own free will - happily do so.
I do, likewise, think it would be a freaking stand-up courageous thing for a person to do, and I believe that you're right, it would go a long way toward healing old wounds - even self-inflicted ones - on all sides of the table.
My understanding, though, is that what was actually damaging was not so much the sh#t on ropes incident as the sh#t they got smeared with for the next 30 years. And with that, all I can say is, for me personally I would like for all parties to sit down, hash this thing out in a way that's actually productive or reconciling, and forgive - or at least agree to tolerate - each other. I recognize that this is also totally naive, but I think it would make for a better ending all across the board.
One way or another, this is a part of climbing history. What do we want that history to reflect?
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:44am PT
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Da-Dweeb,
You should have said
....but for purposes of clarification, Irregardless of being Christian doesn't deprive us of free will....
;-)
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:45am PT
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Hehehe. Thanks, Mark. My day is complete.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Jul 28, 2011 - 12:47am PT
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Mark-
Well then, by popular demand, see recent edit... =)
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