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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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JEleazarian - Seems an oxymoron to say that politicians are perfectly
capable of making rational 'political' decisions when given proper
factual backgrounds. Take the 'Failed success' of Obamacare as an example.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Deniers are so predictable. They can't debate facts so they argue against the straw man behind it all. But they love c*#k, I mean Koch.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Dr F - Maybe you can lead the way by turning off the main circuit
breaker in your home. Think of the enormous effect it'll have in saving the planet.
But seriously where are you going to get a reliable energy supply to replace
the coal,oil, and natural gas other than nukes?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 12, 2010 - 02:12pm PT
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CC,
I was talking about the general public. Politicians make decisions that they perceive to be in their best interest -- not necessarily those of the public.
If we get a fair airing of the facts relating to our climate, rather than hysteria on one side or the other, we will be in a much better position as a society to determine what we should do about it. As an economist, I'd be quite surprised if the optimal solution were to do nothing, but I'd also be quite surprised if the optimal solution were to go all-out in reducing carbon emissions.
Unfortunately, the public discussion has ignored the data and research, and instead focused on personalities, useless generalizations, and hyperbole. Most people understand that this is a debate with economic consequences. Let's get the facts out that allow us to make those economic decisions. This requires the scientific community to engage the rest of the public, and I understand that to be what those scientists have agreed to do. I applaud them.
John
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Nov 16, 2010 - 03:35pm PT
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Dam building in the Indian Himalaya's is accelerating to frenzied proportions.
Capturing the monsoon run off to produce electricity and metering water
delivery to benefit low land farming is a real game changer.
People are making a difference rather than just talking.
some info on the hydro projects in progress.
"http://my.reset.jp/~adachihayao/indexE090703.htm"
pics of the mountain towns suddenly jerked into the modern world.
Sangla valley was nominated as one of the five most beautiful valleys in the world.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ankit-varshneya/541967101/in/photostream/
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DrDeeg
Mountain climber
Mammoth Lakes, CA
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Nov 20, 2010 - 11:20pm PT
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John Shimkus, Republican Congressman from Illinois who is a candidate for the chair of the House Energy Committee, has said that climate change is not a problem because God promised Noah, "As long as the earth endures, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, will never cease."
The Congressman is quoted as saying, "The earth will end only when God declares its time to be over."
Article in the Daily Mail
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"In the AP interview, Pachauri was asked about the extreme events of 2010 -- the Russian heat wave and wildfires, unprecedented nationwide flooding in Pakistan, China's worst floods and landslides in decades. He said the IPCC is working on a special report on the link between global warming and such extreme events."
wait, didn't somebody(ies) here declare (repeatedly) that "weather is not the same as climate" and that good weather cannot be used to refute agw?
but...bad weather can be used to validate agw??????
yep, color me skeptical
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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It's amazing to see how people's selfishness can lead them to grasp at any straws to deny what is most likely so that can feel ok about their selfishness.
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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Ed - comprehension is that these climate reports are outright lies written
to keep money flowing in to these groups.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/tech-mainmenu-30/environment/5384-carbon-credits-market-could-collapse-absent-cancun-deal
A writer for the U.K. Telegraph summed up the Big Carbon's efforts and
motivations well. "None of the lobbying has been more telling than a
statement issued by 259 investment organisations, controlling 'collective
assets totalling over $15 trillion' — including major banks, insurance
companies and pension funds. These are the bodies calling most stridently
for "government action on climate change", because they are the ones who
hope to make vast sums of money out of it," wrote Christopher Booker. "They
are desperate for a treaty of the type they failed to get at Copenhagen —
even more so since the collapse of the US cap and trade bill — because they
see their chance of turning global warming into the most lucrative fruit
machine in history dwindling by the month."
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