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Albion
Trad climber
Bristol, UK
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cat juggling?
what the feck?
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bvb
Social climber
flagstaff arizona
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Almost five months since I had regular internet access, and this thread just keeps going and going and goign.......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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^^^ Onanism is very difficult to overcome.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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^ You can't make a statement like that without offering up evidence, or can you?
I had never heard of cat juggling until it came up on this thread and being a preservationist at heart I think this thread has potential to become the longest running thread of all time.
I will, however, report it to the useless thread thread.
EDIT: that's worthless thread
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Albion
Trad climber
Bristol, UK
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Oct 28, 2012 - 10:46am PT
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bump
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2012 - 03:24am PT
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I've made contact with a few of those within the drug group. I'm trying to decide if what they have to talk about is pertinent to the story as I'm telling it. For those of you that have been following this thread, what do you think? Any interest in how they got into the business? How they perfected their craft? Where they went and how they moved the dope from Mexico to the US?
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:33am PT
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Definitely!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 30, 2012 - 03:48am PT
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A hearty Thank You for the chance to put up my favorite song from Woods Talk, a good old smokin dope song.[Click to View YouTube Video]
Flying into Yosemite
In a big forty-seven C;
After flying over deserts and seas
Don't ditch that plane, if you please,
Mr. Piloting man.
We're doing the best that we can
On Ostrander Lake not to land.
Couldn't begin to make it much plainer
Just don't try to land that old plane here,
If you please, Mr. Piloting Man.
It's safe to say we can rule out Arlo, but I'm not sure about that mandolin playing steel guitarist. He could be the guy who met Arlo at the terminal. Arlo claimed to have been really gone from eating a brick, so...
Nah, that guy wasn't even alive at the time of the crash, I bet. Just like Arlo's boy wasn't either, probably...
Oh, well, some one else will have to come forth with the real dope. It's time for a nap.
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James Wilcox
Boulder climber
The Coast
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Oct 30, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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Does the Tercero name mean anything?
Even though there's some interesting coincidences, I assume
Thorp and Zylsrta's "Company" was a different group(East Coast). Seems
Zylstra did have a bit of a reputation sabataging planes; targeting and killing an FBI informant.
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Albion
Trad climber
Bristol, UK
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Oct 31, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
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For those of you that have been following this thread, what do you think?
Oh yes - the whole narrative from how the people that ran the operation came to be doing what they were doing, to how the plane crashed through to what the consequences were for those who found some of it's cargo please.
Give us the whole nine yards - Krueger did.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Oct 31, 2012 - 06:35pm PT
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Hey ric, happy halloween. You were gonna leave that stuff out?
Or you could be kinda clever like George Lucas. Start in the middle and then work backwards in volume two.
Would you please put some pedal to the metal here?
My book tying all this stuff together ... from the Coronado Company to the Laguna Brotherhood to the Chicago Seven to the Yosemite Plane Crashers to ... (ah ah can't reveal too much)
(just a tease ... to the Irvine Cocaine Club and the THC Real Estate Trust)
is on hold.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Oct 31, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
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...targeting and killing... I have brought this up before, but I am going to mention it again. Like I said, I had talked with JD just before his demise, had made plans to do a route when I returned from the eastside in a few days. When i returned, specifically to hook up with Jack, he ws dead.
I walked that trail, from bottom to top and back down, 2-3 times over the next few days. And had sat at the very spot where he had "tripped" and pondered the whole scenario for several hours at least. I had a very uncomfortable/unsettling feeling about the whole thing. Like i said, where he went over, was the only place on the whole trail that something like that could have happened. It was a 15-20 ft wide swath/opening with a clear shot over the cliff edge (about 20-30 yards below the trail). Everywhere else was blocked by trees and bushes that would either stop you or you could grab, etc.!
One spot 15-20 ft wide in thousands of yards of trail! I had prollie been up that trail over a dozen times in the prior 6 or so years and recall, before his accident, thinking that it would be a bad place to trip/fall IF it were wet and slippery. But, what were the chances of someone tripping right there? Particularly someone like Jack who had been up that trail dozens of times.
Plus, I know for a fact, that Jack was holding. Someone new where and what he had and decided they wanted it all. The opportunity presented itself. In my opinion, this was the motive and incentive for someone to off him. Either simply push him or smack him in the back of the head with a rock or hammer. Greed can be a very powerful motivater/force.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Because they were close to him (another climber) a "friend". Put fukin' 2+2 together! As in, perhaps part of it was theirs and they wanted it all, or whatever!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Tercero
Thorp
zYelstra
Comp any!
FBI informants
Killing floor
Jimi Hendrix
Saboteurs
Targets
East Coasters
What ever became of the Modesto-Yosemite nexus?
You getting all this ric? The plot thickens up like a chicken-neck on steroids. My book just got two chapters longer. Mine may be bigger than yours, but it's the readers who count, right?
ric
i'll help you keep track
murder
sociopaths
money money money
inflation
wooden nickels
hoot owls
spirits
sorry but I don't know Jack
just keepin' tabs
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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I have some doubts about this. Murdering someone is a big thing, over a few thousand dollars of marijuana? Who would be so desperate and ruthless? It's much more likely that someone would just try to follow him and rip him off.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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It's much more likely that someone would just try to follow him and rip him off. Another climber? Obviously not, cuz he might rip him off, but, he would never climb again, or certainly not in the Valley.
And it wasn't just a few thousnad dollars of weed. There was cash, a lot of cash, involved and a lot of quality weed, etc! Plus, this was '76 and whatever the amount (say 50-100K) you could increase that by 5+ times to factor in inflation. Minimum wage then was about $2.30/hr. vs $8.00/hr now. And everything was a lot cheaper in general, so the dollar was worth about 5 x more than it is today, or even more. You could by primo reidential lots in Mammoth for $12,500.00 ... try and find a lot for that now!! It would be 10-20 times that, at least!
edit: So, the incentive was there. Socio-paths exist in climbing, just like they exist everywhere else.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Just one last thing regarding "murdering someone"; there couldn't have been an easier, more lax environment in the US to get away with murder than Yose in the 70's. Particularly when it's in regards to a dirtbag climber on the parks sh#t list. Regardless, they prollie didn't even consider it, let alone look into it. And, besides, we were ALL considered criminals in their eyes, bitd, and deserved whatever came upon us...particularly under the present circumstances (at that time).
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Don Paul, people get killed for nickels.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Maybe but ... how is pushing the guy off a cliff going to make you rich? It makes it easier to steal his huge stash? I'm not sure about that. If you just steal his stash, what can he do? Try to hunt you down, I guess. But if you kill him you will have the MAN to deal with. It doesn't sound like a good criminal plan to me.
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