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10b4me

Boulder climber

Somewhere on 395

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:19pm PT

have to agree with Ron. It's human nature not to like everybody. In theory, there are some people that we feel should not be alive. In reality, the vast majority doesn't let that become a reality

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:25pm PT

Wes,, 17 year old KIDS kill many people these days..

They didn't in Utah back in 1991.

You acted like the punk and got threatened.

I didn't just get threatened... I got my GOD DAMN LIFE THREATENED AT GUN POINT... for doing donuts in a parking lot. You are clearly too fuking stupid to realize that it is NOT ACCEPTABLE to pull a gun in that situation... therefore, you don't deserve to have a gun.

but if you were dealing with people like you do here a lot,, im thinkin its not a surprise that you have had weapons pointed your way..

right, you're not surprised that people will pull a gun on someone for being a dick. being a dick is not a crime... threatening someone's life is.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:27pm PT

My father once told me of an old S. Carolina Prison warden who said, "give them to me until they're 35 and 99% of them won't give you any trouble after that..."

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:29pm PT

...for doing donuts in a parking lot. You are clearly too fuking stupid to realize that it is NOT ACCEPTABLE to pull a gun in that situation

Depends on whether there was snow on the ground. I mean who can resist. Dry pavement? Call the swat team.

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:30pm PT

So it is not a surprise that people will pull a gun over words typed on a message board? And you don't think there needs to be more gun control? Are you daft?

Yeah, I was an as#@&%e... and I deserved to be punched... but the pussies didn't punch, they pulled a gun... for donuts in a parking lot across from their house, mooning them while driving down the street, etc. It is 100% unacceptable to pull a gun and threaten the life of a 17 year old kid. If you can't control yourself in situations like that, you shouldn't have a gun. I suspect most people who have a gun shouldn't have one. More regulation...

wes, dont be such a raving pussy.

mechrist

Gym climber

South of Heaven

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:31pm PT

bring it bitch

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Dec 19, 2012 - 03:38pm PT

get that boy some kleenx.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:04pm PT

it's LOSE.. and congratulations on your victory.

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:18pm PT

It's no longer a thread Locker. It's a pathology. But it has offered a fascinating peek into the bizzare mental landscapes of quite a few folks. I think the most instructive thing about this thread is that in what -- closing in on 2500? -- posts, not a single woman has posted to this thread. I wonder what our country would look like if it was not dominated by old, hung-up, fossilized white guys.

Jon Beck

Trad climber

Oceanside

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:22pm PT

Lilabiene posted up a nice contribution. This thread could come close to passing the Wings of Steel thread (3400+)

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:35pm PT

Crimpie, can I rely on the stats from gunpolicy.org?

If yes, then looking at murder in general and gun violence specifically in a macro view we are becoming a much more peaceful bunch. I am not saying that 9,146 gun homicides in 2009 is somehow okay, just that we are moving steadily in a good direction and that politicians and activists who portray the situation as deteriorating are not being honest.

According to the above site, which does not have a pro-gun agenda:

In 1993 the overall murder rate in the US was app. 10/100K. The rate of murders by guns was app. 7/100K.

Since then these rates have dropped each year, and in 2010 were app 4.5/100K (total murders) and 3/100K (gun murders.) According to these numbers, the murder rate and gun murder rates have dropped by more than one half in less than 20 years.

This has happened at the same time that the rate of guns / household has hovered relatively constantly at around 45%, meaning that with the population growing the number of guns in circulation has grown proportionately.

Of course the stats don't help when an individual comes along who does something; albeit rare, which is such a stunning atrocity it garner's national attention (as it should.) I think that it is the acts of these few psychopathic individuals which should be at the center of the debate. What can we do which will realistically detect, deter, reduce or bring a halt to this kind of behavior?

It is my opinion that laws like limiting magazine capacity or banning military style guns will not change anything. If enacted such a law will not really affect me, so if it is done and it works I'll admit to being wrong.

Ron, pretty simple, if the diagnosis and Rx fit, surveying for guns and securing or removing any present is probably a reasonable and prudent thing to do. I had a friend once who had some issues with depression which turned out to actually be hypothyroid (obvious once he turned yellow). While in that state I talked him out of the barrels to his two Glocks - gave them back about nine months later. All good. It's ain't rocket science, stigmatizing, or a bad idea - just basic common sense.

Interesting - I did the same thing to myself for a few months a while back. A certain reality of life sent me into a spiral of depression. I locked away my guns and gave the keys to a good friend. I knew I did not want to kill myself, but I did not trust myself alone in the middle of the night.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:49pm PT

BVB,

I am Not Corysue!

(I am Sparticus)

EDIT,
come to think of it, when we met in Flagstaff you even insisted that you KNEW Piton Ron, and I wasn't him!!!

LOL

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

Dec 19, 2012 - 04:53pm PT

No women posting here??.

dont forget meschrist...you will start her to whine all over again.

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Dec 19, 2012 - 05:00pm PT

Crimpie sure seems all woman to me..As does Anastasia..No women posting here?

OK, that's three women in 2500 posts. Again, my primary point is that the entire national debate, as well as the one here, is dominated by white males.

bvb

Social climber

flagstaff arizona

Dec 19, 2012 - 05:07pm PT

And as some of us may disagree with Ron's perspective on gun ownership in the United States, we must all salute in awe at the man's skills with Sushi. Plus Terrible Twos at Capitol Reef is a really great route.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber

Toquerville, Utah

Dec 19, 2012 - 05:13pm PT

With at least 5 women posting out of what? 40? 50? posters, then you actually have a disproportionally HIGH percentage of women for the sausagefest that IS the Taco.