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couchmaster
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May 11, 2015 - 07:50am PT
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^^^ no ^^^
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 07:52am PT
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Some of us knew seals personally.
They came thru regularly for training sessions.
Internet wankers ......
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 11, 2015 - 07:58am PT
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I trained SEALs too Werner. Plus I'm the only one here who was actually in a special ops outfit besides Donini.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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That's why I said "some of us" .....
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couchmaster
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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Try and keep the Seals out of the discussion and look higher up, and behind the curtain as well. The truth, they say, can be stranger than fiction. Interesting that both the Bergen and VOX refutations are so similar and came out so soon. Bergen appears to have not read the Hersh article, so maybe "he" or whomever prepared the refutation for him, has been following Hershs lengthy compilation of info for the book and prepared a story in advance to refute the facts that he thought might be coming out? Interesting. These are the people driving us to war here and war there. To what ends? Eternal vigilance.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/seymour-hershs-blockbuster-obama-on-the-red-line-and-on-the-rat-line/
Today's (OK, last version) version from David Stockman, Ronald Reagans budget director and a former congressman - quote:
"Read Seymour Hersh’s devastating account of Obama’s Red Lines and Rat Lines and weep for the Republic. It is no more.
For the first time in a half-century American voters actually elected the “peace candidate” in 2008 and sent Obama to the White House to end the interventionist foreign policy that had lead to disaster in Iraq, and, implicitly, to wind down the vast war machine that had been left over from the Cold War.....
...But the Warfare State was not about to let peace happen. Soon Obama learned the Washington pivot, rehired the core of Bush’s War Cabinet and became enmeshed in the “national security” plots and schemes which were in the pipeline when he arrived at 1600 Pennsylvanian Avenue— much like JFK inherited the disastrous Bay Of Pigs invasion. Like the despicable Alan Dulles, he inherited ambitious scoundrels like so-called General David Petraeus, who soon had him convinced that the non-sensical and bloody “surge” in Anbar Province had been a roaring success, and that it should be exported to the quagmire in Afghanistan. "
Yesterdays version/near miss to fascism -same same except it was a near miss, not a hit:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/13/suppressed-history-hidden-facts-behind-the-wall-street-nazi-plot/
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 11, 2015 - 11:21am PT
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But but but.... we get to "pick" a blue or red puppet that focuses on REAL important stuff like gay marriage, abortion, what small arms I'm allowed to keep in my closet.... isn't that enough?
What I still can't figure out is why steal half of my paycheck when then are simply printing it?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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Plus I'm the only one here who was actually in a special ops outfit besides Donini.
That's nice and highly commendable but not particularly relevant is it? I outranked you both
plus I knew everything you ever wanted to know about the Soviet synthetic rubber production
for fighter plane tires. ;-)
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 01:51pm PT
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The only thing obvious is that some people sure love their conspiracies.
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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May 11, 2015 - 02:01pm PT
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Dirt's one of them who thinks it's true if it's official and conspiracy if it conflicts with The Big White house.
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 05:31pm PT
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The two above are tin foil hat users ^^^^^^
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 05:32pm PT
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That's a compliment
Thanks bro
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WBraun
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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You're welcome bro ....
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 11, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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I don't believe he's dead at all. I heard they didn't shoot him, but captured him and transported him through the worldwide CIA tunnel system to a secret prison below a Walmart in Texas.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 06:29pm PT
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Yes, you are one of the many bullies Jim
or maybe part of the PC squad
at least you admit it
I seldom see your liberal side
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 11, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
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Yes, you are one of the many bullies Jim
or maybe part of the PC squad
at least you admit it
I seldom see your liberal side
Craig, you are so far out of touch with reality on this that I wonder if it isn't time for you to take another vacation from Supertopo.
Seriously. If you can no longer tell who your friends are, you need to step away from the keyboard for a while.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
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Jim has never said anything in support of me, nor you
so I don't know what the hell you are talking about
we just have very different opinions
me take a break?
I seem to have as many supporters as any one else here
are we keeping count as to who is a friend and who isn't
I'm sure the hell not, and will post what I want to say
What is God's name did I post that was Out of touch with reality???
I'm serious, are you serious??
Reality is my purpose in life, I live it here and now.
The best way to help poor people is to make sure you don't join their ranks. That sounds like bullshit It sounds like it because it is,
millions had NO choice in the matter if they wanted to join the ranks, they were born into it, lost their job, got sick or a billion other reasons.
So they deserve to suffer? is that what you're saying.
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Psilocyborg
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
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surely your not serious. You seriously need to get off the computer and go outside. seriously.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 11, 2015 - 07:41pm PT
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Not being supported is posting snarky remarks to my every post
Why can't I post without being singled out?
Do you really need to say anything at all?
either they respond to the issue, or they don't and instead need to express some kind of BS jab to the ribs.
Can I respond back? no, it just makes them more of an a-hole
There are many here that respond the same way, I call them bullies.
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