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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:54pm PT
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Werner-"Jesus is Not God, Never God! Son of God. Servant"
"I and my father are one" Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?
The Jews answered Him for a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and you being a man, make Yourself God." John 10:31-33.
He was either God or a Lunatic, WB!!!
PEACE!!!
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Gobee
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Los Angeles
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:56pm PT
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The eyes of the Lord keep watch over knowledge,
but he overthrows the words of the traitor.
Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.
Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.
For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.(Jesus)
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2009 - 09:57pm PT
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Be VERY Afraid of the Religious Right
If the Religious Right gains dominion over society, we will all have to deal with Satan because he plays such a dominant role in their belief system. Anyone who is not born-again is vulnerable to Satan, for they are lacking the protective shield of Christ. The world is clearly divided into "good" and "evil", "Christ" and "Satan." R.J. Rushdoony, the man who is considered the father of Reconstructionism called on his followers to "administer justice upon all disobedience in every area of life where we encounter it. To deny the cultural mandate is to deny Christ and to surrender the world to the devil." (The Institutes of Biblical Law, 1973)
Dr. Elaine Pagels, professor of History of Religion at Princeton University wrote a book titled The Origins of Satan. She explains in an interview with Ellen Kushner on WGBH, Boston Public Radio, what can happen when a society has a 'good vs. evil' world view:
"Every group and tribe has had ways of feeling superior to every other. I mean, every anthropologist knows that, but what's really different here is that you have a moral view - 'we are good, and you are evil.'
And what happens then," Pagels continues, "as was put into the mouth of Jesus in the Gospel of John: whoever kills you will think he's doing service to God. So that if a conflict between us and them turns into a moral conflict, so we're God's people, they are Satan's people, we can do anything we like with them. I think of that when I hear the term "ethnic cleansing." It's like there's dirt there. You know, it's a good thing to get rid of dirt."
Falwell sees "a day when God will unleash his wrath and judgment upon unbelievers. He will crush them beneath his thumb." (Nuclear War and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, 1983.) While Falwell himself does not seem like a violent man, at what point will violence toward "unbelievers" be seen as "doing service to God" by his followers?
In New York magazine, August, 1986, Robertson made the following statement: "The people who have come into institutions [today - 1986] are primarily termites. They are destroying institutions that have been built by Christians, whether it is universities, governments, our own traditions that we have. The termites are in charge now, and that is not the way it ought to be, and the time has come for a godly fumigation."
Supreme Court Justice Scalia writes: [Government] "is the minister of God with powers to 'revenge', execute wrath ..." Scalia hints in his article in First Things, May, 2002, that the death penalty should be expanded. Scalia's comments are particularly disturbing in the context of the Religious Right gaining dominion over society.
The Reverend Timothy LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, authors of the best selling Left Behind series, describe in Glorious Appearing, the latest book of their series, the violence that Jesus will show non-believers upon His return:
"Men and women soldiers and horses seemed to explode where they stood," Dr. LaHaye and Mr. Jenkins write. "It was as if the very words of the Lord had superheated their blood, causing it to burst through their veins and skin.'' The authors add, "Even as they struggled, their own flesh dissolved, their eyes melted and their tongues disintegrated."
At what point do Reconstructionists, who advocate the death penalty for unrepentant homosexuals, abortionists, and blasphemers convince others that it is time to eliminate those characterized as Satan? The goal of Reconstructionism is to do away with sin. How can you do away with sin without eliminating Satan?
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WBraun
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:04pm PT
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Yes one in consciousness. Jesus dovetailed all his actions and consciousness as a servant to the Lord, therefore he is as good as the Lord but still he is not God.
Therefore direct representative of God, servant, but not God himself.
The Supreme Lord always remains eternally independent of the jivas (souls).
Although the jivas (souls) are qualitatively one with the Lord, part parcel they do not have the full quantity of all the Lords opulence's.
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:15pm PT
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Cragman!
Exactly.
"In the begging was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." John 1:1-14.
WB!
Jesus Was God!!!
And Jesus still is God!!!
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WBraun
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:16pm PT
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God the father is Supreme, God the son, who's called the logos, which is Greek for word, is subordinate to the father.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:18pm PT
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from Jonathan Edwards' sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God (1741)
. . . The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of nothing else, but to be cast into the fire; he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venomous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment. It is to be ascribed to nothing else, that you did not go to hell the last night; that you were suffered to awake again in this world, after you closed your eyes to sleep. And there is no other reason to be given, why you have not dropped into hell since you arose in the morning, but that God's hand has held you up. There is no other reason to be given why you have not gone to hell, since you have sat here in the house of God, provoking his pure eyes by your sinful wicked manner of attending his solemn worship. Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell . . .
The view of the nature of god is not static. Many say today that their god is a god of love. Historically, the Christian god has been much, much more often portrayed as a smiter, not a lover.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2009 - 10:21pm PT
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Skip, what is with you lately?
I don't need your approval to post anything here.
And my posting on this thread was in direct response to all the religious
posts, as I have a right too, just like anyone else.
My above post had NOTHING to do with you, period.
When have I ever "lectured" YOU on ANYTHING?
WHEN? Show my posts or the links.
YOU are the ONE, the ONE who calls me childish names.
I have NEVER called you any names or "lectured" you.
What is YOUR problem? Is you got something to say to me, then come
right out and say it here and now
PS: I don't give a sh#t if you "like" me or not.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:30pm PT
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It's funny.
Werner's krishna beliefs recognize jesus as sacred, but his beliefs don't quite align with the beliefs of the christians here.
Maybe a good old fashioned inquisition would teach Werner that jesus IS the god of love.
(edit) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111 some extras for trpl7
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TripL7
Trad climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
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Cragman! Go back and look at my post again!!
You must have looked at it in the first five seconds because as soon as I posted it I edited it to say Jesus is God!!
I'll try it again!
Jesus was God in the Past!
Jesus is God in the Present!
Jesus Will be God in the future!
Always has been God!
Always will be God!
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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Werner!
At what point in time did Jesus 'dovetail' ???
He was crucified for claiming to be God?
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:46pm PT
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Norton - agreed about the religious right.
GO
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:48pm PT
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Skip!
Right on!
God the Father!
God the Son!
God the Holy Spirit!
The Holy Trinity!
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WBraun
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Oct 22, 2009 - 10:53pm PT
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He was crucified for claiming to be God?
No
At what point in time did Jesus 'dovetail' ???
No point in time as he is an eternally liberated soul. Not ordinary. Direct representative of God himself.
Jesus was not God himself though, but son, servant.
Sorry .....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 22, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
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Oh Skippy, I do got it figured out.
YOU got a problem with me.
You just don't "like" it when myself, and a boatload of other people
don't agree with YOUR religious views. You sure are easily offended.
Well guess what? YOU don't agree with MY religious views.
That does not offend me at all.
That's called America, Skip. People disagree, all the time.
The bigger question is WHY you have a problem with people who disagree with you?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:08pm PT
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Lovegasoline-
The Homonin that had a bigger brain than Homo sapiens was Homo neanderthal. Our brains average about 1,330 cubic centimeters whereas Neanderthal averaged about 1,500.
Nevertheless, Neanderthals had the more primitive tools and art and then became extinct. Anthropologists generally think that the innovation which allowed Homo sapiens to forge ahead with less brain matter was the invention of fully developed language. Better software, less need for massive hardware.
Another feature of their size difference is the difference in the actual shape of the head. Neanderthal stored his brains in the back so that his skull is kind of horizontally oblong. This poses a problem in giving birth for a mother that walks upright and high maternal mortality is thought to be one of the reasons for Neanderthal's demise.
Homo sapiens by contrast, has a high forehead because the brains are stacked more on top which gives a smaller rounder head to go through the birth canal and thus provides an evolutionary advantage.
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:09pm PT
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Skipt- "I guess his momma didn't tell him right"!!
With all due respect, lightin up on Norton!!
Not only didn't his mother, also his father and the lie that is called Catholicism!
Go back and read or posts!!
And put yourself in his shoes!!
Love brother!!
"Now abide, faith, hope, love. And the greatest of these is love".
It takes faith to know God!
It takes love to imitate Him!
Keep on keepin on brother!
Peace and love!! 7
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:27pm PT
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Skip!
When I pray, I pray to God the Father through God the Son!
What you ask the father in my name...
So I generally pray like Jesus taught us to pray,
I usually start out "Father.........and I ask this in Jesus name, amen".
But it is documented many places the power of Jesus name.
"Every every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess Jesus Christ as Lord".
This will eventually happen at the Great Throne Judgement.
Preferable to do it here on earth.
We can talk about this more for sure!! I have been at this taco joint non-stop since about 8 am HONEST!!
PEACE DUDE!!!
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:46pm PT
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Skip!
Didn't mean to step on your toes.
I got big feet! haha.
I hardly know either one of you!!
every once in a while I try to play the piece maker!
Stick my noes were it doesn't belong!!
It be kool though if you except my apologies!!
And then we can all three gang up on Nortons mom, and dad, and the Catholic church!!
Did you get a chance to read what Norton had to say about his youth??
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TripL7
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Oct 22, 2009 - 11:58pm PT
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skip!
I also often pray...Lord.
"Lord thakyou for this beautiful day and all of my friends"
Do you?
The reason I ask is, Jesus is Lord!!!
An I also pray...Jesus please help me....
As I did when I was eight years old and first met Him!!
So.....
Pray on good and faithfull servent known as skipt!
PEACE AND LOVE!!!--------------7
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