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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 14, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
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Yes, it's being written (I think).
Should be ready in time for us all to drool on the pages, in the old folks home.....
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 14, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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hey hey (there say) ric -
Which stretch are you in now, seventh inning or final?
Just askin', but survival is the crux of the matter. Some folks could die.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 14, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
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Adam, If you get a chance, you ought to buy that book. Some of the claims by the authors are so far fetched that you have to wonder about the facts in the other stories as well. If I wrote using made up facts like those two did I'd just be putting out another novel. Enough of those out there already.
I have sent an email to the two authors asking them where they got their info....of course they haven't responded.
Ya see guys, this is the kind of crap that sidmo would rather have published rather than make sure its true. Imagine if one of the climbers posted a beta on a piece of climbing gear that was completely bogus or even dangerous, but hell, he met everyone's expectations about when to post. Ok..maybe a reach...but you catch my drift
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Aug 15, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Catch your drift? That’s your problem, you’re drifting too far from the shore – everytime you attack me or call some other writer a liar or whatever your beef du jour is - you are wasting time that would be better spent writing . . . even if you use the F word – fiction. Are you going to teach a course on this later professor? Just write something already Lic . . . no, I think I’ll just call you Drifty
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2012 - 02:47am PT
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No sidmo...you constantly bang on the wrong drum. You want me to publish right now, damn the accuracy. Then you mix it with the fact that I tell you that you weren't there and have nothing to offer which obviously ruffles your fuzzies since you have a very delicate ego. Then you bark back that since I wasn't there I can't offer up any credibility when the reality is that the credibility comes from those telling the stories. Stories which you wish you could tell in the first person, but you can't. On top of it all, you want me to apologize for slighting you. Jeebus man, you need to get a grip on this thing. Or, has this thing become you?
Wait...how about I apologize for not apologizing. Will that make it all better Sheldon? By the way, you have your super hero shirt on backward again.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 17, 2012 - 07:11am PT
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Randisi, you funny man!
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 17, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
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First off Rick has to collect information. Half of the people here do not understand what is involved. This is where he has his biggest problem not with himself but with some of you guys especially you Sidmo: I myself if I was in Ricky shoes would not trust one word or anything you come up with since you have nothing and again I say nothing to bring to the table.
Let’s start off what he had and has to do that makes everyone think everyone here on ST involved or not; just many that want to hear the story that “think” they could have been written and finished in a year, Ok! Two at the most.
You need to realize it takes a good amount of time who the players are, then also some who were not but who might have additional first/second hand information related to this story and even hearsay checkout or pursued since it is an investigating tool to come to the right conclusions.
When it comes to the players giving their best recollection is kind of hard because it was years ago and critical information is lost but another source fills in the space and maybe one more needed for the right answers.
Ok! So who are the players?
The plane and people involved with just the plane with this event.
The people following the two pilots and the cargo that day, also the people who knew something prior to the plane’s journey and final unknown or known destination but in this incident something different happens it crash’s. An unforeseen event.
The people that found the plane and people that had the task to protect evidence in the future.
The players that took the stash, the black book, money and any other things found in the lake that had to do with the plane which excludes you Sidmo.
Then there are the non-players [here say] hearing about it that make this a story. Books were written, articles and even a movie about the event. In the movie Cliff Hanger, Sly baby buys the rights but changes the events or takes out ”the” drugs in this equation and uses money for the story line.
A lot of misinformation since never really researched. Rumors, here say, loose facts, non- collaborating evidence just make believe based on a true story that’s missing a lot of correct information on an actual true account. History unclaimed of a true story that that has all the humor, tragic, stupid law enforcement mistakes, mishaps and fun that will make good reading [book] from any one’s point of view other than just climbers making a couple of bucks, others creating companies while others buying property or taking trips.
Now Rick comes in and starts asking and starts collecting but he is looking for the correct information tries to back it up and has and still is collecting.
So far it sounds to me he has collected a good amount from the players, government sources and additional resources. Media sources can be used as a tool, maybe the internet but they can be incorrect sources since some get the wrong information due to not following or the correcting leads or contacts. An example REX 84 [Readiness Exercise 1984 written by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North] found on Wikipedia: the journalist who they name who summarized his findings in an article in CounterSpy has an “h” in the name take the “h” out and now you have the right person. A mistake not intentional but someone with the wrong information [wrong name] or not correcting it making it questionable.
Let’s see Rick has been investigating for what 7+ years; have a friend who was the main PI [private Investigator] for The Memphis Three, big story, movie made earlier about it, people questioned, protested until they were just released from prison recently. That took him 10 years working on that one, while at the same time currently working to get another different client off death row, that is seven years and counting. He gets paid for it. I am sure Rick has other things on his mind and tries best to finish but still gets additional info that needs checking, rechecking and collaboration and using his own funds and time to find out what actually really happened then finds a lot of dead ends and lost time; as in you Sidmo.
People often provide inaccurate and conflicting information. An example: Witnesses providing or say what they think what happened. It could be a shooting, multi car injury: who started it, which car hit first was it blue or black, “The black one hit the blue one, No!! it was the blue one that hit the black car” a lot of conflicting evidence or misinformation.
Again people often provide inaccurate and conflicting information intentionally. They may be spreading rumors or providing inaccurate information purposefully for their own reasons. Would any of these people or sources lie or mislead?
Sure but Why?
An example with this story could be getting even or revenge on a certain player against another because of jealousy or the Sh*t head banging his girlfriend/wife. Maybe the reason a business dispute between two of the players. What about one player knowing about the real amount of cash but lies saying less? Hidden stash now stolen brings suspicions and creates false rumor within the group involved,a few or with all. Paranoia being another.
So who might be lying or spreading misinformation?
The two pilots are dead so a “no” there.
How about the Government sources and documents; could be, maybe they are covering up something that they would rather be not known or embarrassments as not to be told. Corruption, payoffs?
Remember or recall MCA since they owned the park and trying to rename Yosemite Valley into MCA Yosemite Valley with plans and drawings and ideas to make it into their version of Universal style Disneyland with Multiple Hotels, private helicopters, Condos, gondola to the top of Glacier Point and additional rides.
Remember Meese as in Gov. Reagan’s “Meese” and his ties with MCA along with a few other congressmen and policy makers that followed when Reagan became President. The Board of Directors for MCA is hard to find, Meese was one of them.
What do Congressmen, and policy makers [Meese, Kissinger] for the President do with additional lobbyist’s help: Ah! Recommend, create and pass legislation to make sure MCA dreams come true.
No connection to the plane crash but did they after finding out about it try to mislead or start looking for something that could be embarrassment: The black book, "wrong mob" but any connections or names and then start doctoring the evidence with payoffs?
MCA dictated everything and anything to the Park Service back then. There was a lot of hostility between the two. Were some on MCA payroll?
Funny Meese never admitted or covered up his evolvement with Iran/Contra a few years later. Drugs what drugs? CIA and cocaine; what CIA and cocaine? Pot what pot? Mob with MCA Lew Wasserman and Jules Stein and Reagan never heard of them.
“Wasserman succeeded Stein as MCA chairman in 1969, expanding his role beyond Hollywood to Washington D.C. and every corner of the globe. During this period MCA expanded its influence to publishing (Putnam/Berkley), retail stores (Spencer’s Gifts), banking (Columbia Savings and Loan) and even Yosemite National Park, where MCA monopolized concessions. At its height, MCA had offices in 42 countries and beginning with John F. Kennedy, Wasserman became consigliere and a major contributor to Presidents Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and, of course, Ronald Reagan.” From the book the Last Mogul.
Recall MCA selling to the Japanese, what happened in Washington a few years back, Why the change to the current concessionare?
There are plenty of other books on MCA, look on the internet yourself but that is another story back to Rick’s.
So Rick has a lot to absorb and figure out.
Are some lying: could be for fear of retribution, some still feel the fear of going to jail?
So he has to deal with you Sidmo just some one that is a distractor and I say again, I for one would not trust one word or one thought from you or your other contacts since there is distrust in your advice.
Remember Camp Curry burning down, MCA security and staff with the help of Park service personal say due to rats eating the wiring. Usually it takes an architectural firm to come up with drawings and a set of plans [current one that is now there with the Mountain shop, small grocery store, all you eat breakfast and dinner] within 6 months then start building within or towards the end of a year. Why did MCA have a set of plans ready to go and approved less than a week?
There is nothing you can add unless you knew something about MCA; maybe you know the rats that ate at the electrical wiring causing the fire?
No! I don’t think so but funny that you were so intent on helping Rick with this project from the beginning were you looking for something he found or might find and he would share not knowing that you would be passing information to one of the sources above. Government or MCA?
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Mustang
climber
From the wild, not the ranch
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Aug 17, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
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This whole thing stinks of a left-wing, liberal conspiracy which involved a little known overly ambitious drug use denying rhodes scholar who happened to be a young governor from a southern state and let CIA C130's full of 'contra' band land in his little back yard in the wee hours of night to be eventually rewarded for his non-meddling efforts by rising to the 'highest' political office in the land only later to be impeached by an act of congress for a certain 'stain' on a certain 'blue dress' of a twenty something year old washington intern.
Think I might just have a basis for a book,,,,,,,,,,,yaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnn
SIDMO is just an acronym for .......? fill in the blanks.
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Chicken Skinner
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Aug 17, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
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Not sure if I have posted on this thread yet. I may have posted some photos of the Airplane Tee Shirts of which I have collected several. I personally am interested in the whole story and the background information. This event was going on during my first year spent in Yosemite and whether we like it or not, it did influence the climbing community and others that lived in the Park at that time. Very recently Josh Helling and Bob Hansen were backpacking in the area and decided to visit Lower Merced Pass Lake. Due to the drought the lake was very low and they found some airplane debris that is normally under water. They carried it out as part of the Facelift spirit. I drove home today and as I pulled into my driveway I saw debris in my wheelbarrow and a large piece of painted aluminum leaned against it. My first thought was that someone had overloaded the dumpster and a neighbor had thought it was me, deciding to give me another chance to load the dumpster correctly. As I pulled into the driveway further, I thought that the debris looked like pieces of an airplane and was suddenly excited. And that is what they are, after 35 years here are some pieces of the plane that Josh and Bob pulled out of the lake and removed from the High Country.Ken
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Vgavinator
Social climber
Ladera Ranch, CA
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Aug 19, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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Ken:
They should have waited for the Facelift. More weight for the total.
Maybe you could set up a special project to scour the area for more booty?
My only relationship to the story was very peripheral. I was on top of the first pitch at Koko ledge. Two guys came up and shared what was a very very good doobie. It did taste wierd but the THC content was very high. They said it was airplane pot and I believe it. Don't know who the climbers were, wish I did.
Licky:
A couple of questions.
On 6-12-11 you stated that toxicology tests showed JD had no drugs or alcohol in his system. That certainly contradicts several statements made by people on this forum. (6-7-11 Abenda for one) Have you been able to sort that out?
At least twice Lostinshanghi has posted a picture of a building. 11-30-10 and 5-26-11. Who, what, when, where and why?
It seems like the most important thing for you and Pam to do would be to figure out if the plane was sabotaged and by whom. Thirty years is a long time to harbor hate but if I knew someone might have killed a loved one of mine, I wouldn't stop until I found my own peace in the world. However that might be achieved.
Jeff
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 19, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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Jeff...
//A couple of questions.
On 6-12-11 you stated that toxicology tests showed JD had no drugs or alcohol in his system. That certainly contradicts several statements made by people on this forum. (6-7-11 Abenda for one) Have you been able to sort that out?//
I realize there is a large group that insists that there is everything from conspiracy to cover up. I have been told by at least two people that they were with Dorn on the night before he went on that rescue. Both say he was drinking with them. Then I have the interview with the team leader that was responsible for putting together the rescue team as well as the Ranger that was tasked with over seeing the rescue. Both say they would not have asked Dorn to join the team if they has smelled alcohol on his breath. Put those two together with the toxicology report and what is one supposed to believe?
At least twice Lostinshanghi has posted a picture of a building. 11-30-10 and 5-26-11. Who, what, when, where and why?
You'll have to have Lostinshanghi explain that one.
It seems like the most important thing for you and Pam to do would be to figure out if the plane was sabotaged and by whom. Thirty years is a long time to harbor hate but if I knew someone might have killed a loved one of mine, I wouldn't stop until I found my own peace in the world. However that might be achieved.
I have heard from at least three people within the drug group who thought the plane had been sabotaged. Since the NTSB never did an investigation there is no evidence supporting the claim.
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Aug 19, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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FWIW - I wasn't in the Valley the night of the YPB rescue. But was just 2 days later. I had returned to climb with Jack, as I have already stated. Like everyone, I was very upset. I distinctly recall several people telling me that he had been drinking a fair amount of wine in the Mt Room that evening. Someone also mentioned that he was reluctant to go on the rescue secondary to that. Then, of course, he wouldn't have needed the money and prollie would have preferred to sleep, regardless. I also distinctly remember someone saying that the Ranger or whomever roused him was insistent upon him going for that very reason (new he didn't need to go and was reluctant to) and insisted that he go and told him he was obligated to go because of his SAR privileges!!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 19, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
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hey there say ric, you are going to include this thread as an appendix to the book, right?
that way everybody will be famous long ago. too bad the title has been taken
Famous Long Ago: My Life and Hard Times With Liberation News Service, at Total Loss Farm and on the Dharma Trai (Ray Mungo)
do you have an estimate of when you will be able to provide an estimate of the estimated time of arrival of your book?
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sidmo
Sport climber
general delivery
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Aug 20, 2012 - 08:53am PT
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You shanghaied yourself that time, thanks for one of the more delusional rants yet – I’m done with you geniuses – Ed Meese?! Really?! And you attack me? I served Meese lunch once, and he was lucid and polite, more than can be said for you – and he was a 20% tipper, I doubt you share much with your server.
Licky, good luck – sincerely. You have to endure morons like shanghai. I’m sorry I ever rattled your cage – in retrospect, you didn’t deserve it. Not considering the fact that you have to deal with morons like shanghai. Licky, I’ll let you know when I’m nearby, in case you want the story. With morons like shanghai here on the thread I’d prefer not to post it, sorry.
No hard feelings from this end, despite the morons like shanghai
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Aug 20, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
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No hard feelings from this end”
Oh! Poow wittle baby was it something I said.
Now was Hardy on the right hand side of Meese, the left or was he actually across from him. This is very important can you recall: close your eyes, relax, breath in, hold it and release a couple of times, and think now. Come on you can do it.
Like I said before “A fool will always end up stepping in their own Sh^t”. You are swimming in it.
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Licky
Mountain climber
California
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 26, 2012 - 12:40am PT
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Dayuum..looks like I'm in good standing. Whew, I was sweating bullets for a while.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 29, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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hi ric:
bullets are a hard thing to sweat
how goes it with Das Buch?
You know I've got a lot riding on this. People are wanting to bet me $10,000 that you're not gonna pull it off.
Rick Perry and I are not betting men, but I bet you'll do it.
I still like my idea of including this thread as an appendix. I, for one, will waive all royalty claims.
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turd
climber
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Sep 29, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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What comes after jumping the shark?
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bullfrog
Trad climber
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Sep 30, 2012 - 05:12am PT
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^^ "Good lord! I've heard about this. Cat juggling!"
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