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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 24, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
Court Delivers Win for Youths Demanding Right to Stable Climate

So what are they going to do? serve the sun with a subpoena and demand that it quit varying its output?


monolith

climber
state of being
Nov 24, 2015 - 01:48pm PT
Not really, TGT.



The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 24, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
Demanding the Right to a Stable Climate

Priceless.


STOP, evolution..... STOP I tell you. Or we will sue and stick Obama's EPA on your Azz!!!!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 24, 2015 - 02:46pm PT
the sky is pierced
and leaking rain
still we need more
again! again!

come make me wet
ye darkened skies
bring rainy tears
to my old eyes

i hear every mother say
wish it would rain today all day
what a drag it is being dry
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Nov 26, 2015 - 10:18pm PT
North Siberian Arctic Permafrost Methane Eruption Vents
Mantle Methane Leakage via Late Permian Deep Penetrating Fault and Shear Fracture Systems Rejuvenated by Carbon Dioxide and Methane Induced Global Warming

By Malcolm P.R. Light, Harold H. Hensel and Sam Carana

Abstract

In North Siberia some 30 permafrost methane eruption vents occur along the trend of the inner (continental side) third of the Late Permian Taimyr Volcanic Arc where the crust and mantle were the weakest and the most fractured. Deep penetrating faults and shear systems allowed molten basaltic magmas charged with large volumes of carbon dioxide and methane free access to the surface where they formed giant pyroclastic eruptions. The large volume of carbon dioxide and methane added to the atmosphere by this Late Permian volcanic activity led to a massive atmospheric temperature pulse that caused a major worldwide extinction event (Wignall, 2009). These deep penetrating fractures form a major migration conduit system for the presently erupting methane vents in the North Siberian permafrost and the submarine Enrico PV Anomaly. During periods of lower atmospheric carbon dioxide and lower temperatures, the permafrost methane vents became sealed by the formation of methane hydrate (clathrate) plugs forming pingos. The surface methane clathrate plugs are now being destabilized by human pollution induced global warming and the mantle methane released into the atmosphere at the permafrost methane explosion vents. This has opened a giant, long standing (Permian to Recent) geopressured, mantle methane pressure-release safety valve. There is now no fast way to reseal this system because it will require extremely quick cooling of the atmosphere and the Arctic Ocean. The situation calls for comprehensive and effective action, including breaking down the methane in the water before it gets into the atmosphere using methane devouring symbiotic bacteria (Glass et al. 2013) and simultaneously breaking down the existing atmospheric methane using radio-laser systems which can also form methane consuming hydroxyl molecules (Alamo and Lucy Projects, Light and Carana, 2012, 2013).

Conclusions

Our present extreme fossil fuel driven, carbon dioxide global warming is predicted to produce exactly the same mantle methane release from the permafrost methane eruption vents along the Late Permian "TaimyrVolcanic Arc", subsea Arctic methane hydrates and the Enrico Pv Anomaly "Extreme Methane Emission Zone" by the 2050's, leading to total deglaciation and the extinction of all life on Earth.

Mankind has, in his infinite stupidity, with his extreme hydrocarbon addiction and fossil fuel induced global warming, opened a giant, long standing (Permian to Recent), geopressured, mantle methane pressure-release safety valve for methane gas generated between 100 km and 300 km depth and at temperatures of above 1200°C in the asthenosphere (Figures 1 to 6). This is now a region of massive methane emissions (Carana, 2011-2015).

There seems to be no fast and easy way to reseal this system. To sufficiently cool the Atmosphere and Arctic Ocean cannot be achieved in the short time frame we have left to complete the job. In some cases, it may be possible to reseal conduits with concrete or other material, or to capture methane for storage in hydrates at safer locations, but the sheer number of vulnerable locations and the size of the work involved is daunting.

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2015/04/north-siberian-arctic-permafrost-methane-eruption-vents.html
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 27, 2015 - 11:33am PT
neebee,

As I understand it, what is predicted is that in ca, the total amount of precipitation will be about the same, but it will be more rain, and less snow. It would seem that an elevated temperature would account for that.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Nov 27, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
hey there say, ken m... say, thanks...

that might be similar, but not exactly the same for us...

similar, as there seems, so far, to be more rain and less snow, too...

but different, in that we are still cold,
here, but, so far about 8-10 degrees warmers, but we will still
be in the 30's soon... *might not be in the low 20's though,
but will find out, by january...


thanks for helping me out, :)
still was wondering about it...
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 9, 2015 - 11:50pm PT
Hotter means less snowpack.
http://climatenewsnetwork.net/global-warming-drains-the-water-of-life/

Same situation in Oregon.
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/33821333-75/story.csp

NASA temperature projections for USA to 2100
2 scenarios. Hot and Hotter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39cBqY1sszY

Total precipitation change is clear only for certain areas.
Using 670 ppm scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-nI8MByIL8

more scenarios http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/details.cgi?aid=11376

Economic costs
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/planetpolicy/posts/2015/12/09-global-economic-costs-from-climate-change-worse

BS from Repub congress
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/27102015/noaa-house-science-committee-subpoena-global-warming-hiatus-lamar-smith

Denier "scientists" paid to write phony articles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/11/23/why-are-so-many-americans-skeptical-about-climate-change-a-study-offers-a-surprising-answer/

http://insideclimatenews.org/news/12112015/michael-mann-climate-change-scientist-interview-exxon-mobil-investigation-global-warming

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/dec/08/greenpeace-exposes-sceptics-cast-doubt-climate-science

Fossil fuel subsidies http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-energy-environment-idUSKBN0TM2LM20151203#rUhKizJZyY8EZY0C.97

No Hiatus
http://insideclimatenews.org/news/24112015/no-global-warming-hiatus-review-concludes-climate-change-lamar-smith-noaa
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 12, 2015 - 12:27am PT
Yosemite’s Badger Pass Ski Area - Open This Saturday

I get the delewarenorth newsletter, I guess because Jennie and I stayed at Yosemite Lodge in 2008 and I have not bothered to unsubscribe, I just usually delete any hotel offers, etc.

But Badger has snow???

Is it really snowing in California? What about the snowpack, or is this just a freak of nature? Will it help the H20 situation?

Answers on a postcard please, no prizes are awarded.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 12, 2015 - 12:43am PT
https://www.facebook.com/BadgerPass/

Open Saturday. 12-18" base
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 13, 2015 - 10:16pm PT
Well, another storm predicted to dump.....and bust.

We are currently BELOW the average for this time of year, and are tracking to be just an average year:

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/precipapp/get5SIPrecipStaticIndex.action


the argument always erupts "it's too early to tell, there's a lot of time left"

---which is true, HOWEVER,

Big snow years follow their own pattern, which is that they are a a big year THROUGHOUT the winter, including Sept and Oct, Nov, and Dec. We are now almost through those 4 months, and the big snow pattern has not emerged--yet.

The odds are rapidly decreasing every day.

I think we are going to have an average snow year, which means the drought continues, because we will not have made up any ground (actually, water)
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Dec 14, 2015 - 10:19am PT
I thought they fixed the drought at Cop 21.
Bob Harrington

climber
Bishop, California
Dec 14, 2015 - 11:57am PT
Agreed Ken. Here's a map showing the current snow water equivalent in both percent of April 1 and percent of normal to date. The Sierra is around 80-85% of normal to date.

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/sweq.action

Note that this is different data than what you presented - this is snow accumulated on the ground at snow pillow sites; the plot you showed was cumulative precipitation in selected precip gages. Either one is a reasonable gage of how the winter is progressing.

So far, this big El Nino hasn't been a big precip producer for California. Some news sources are saying 'not to worry, El Nino precip doesn't kick in until later in the winter' (e.g. http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-85018530/ ). To some extent I agree - winter generally doesn't kick in until later in the winter, but that isn't a pattern unique to El Nino. Looking at some local data for Bishop Creek, the watershed I live in, for the two big precip El Ninos, the snow pillow at South Lake shows that the 1998 snow accumulation was about normal up to February and then it took off, but the 1983 snow accumulation was way over normal right from the get go. So make what you want of that sample size of two. The LA Times and JPL are willing to run with it, so who am I to doubt it?

Here's a plot of runoff (percent of normal for April through March) in the Owens River watershed versus the El Nino status of the preceding winter. Owens Valley runoff is dominated by melt of the prior winter's snowpack. The plot shows that while there is an association of higher runoff with strong El Ninos, dry winters can occur in during strong El Ninos and wet winters can occur in La Ninas.


A strong El Nino doesn't guarantee a big winter, but for forecasting winter precip three to six months out, its the best tool we have. At any rate, I'll be happy if we get an 85% of normal winter - that would be our best winter in four years.
hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Dec 14, 2015 - 12:28pm PT
forgot this even happenswhat a difference a cow makes
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 16, 2015 - 08:52am PT
JPL says fuggetaboutit as far as getting beaucoup neige outta this El Niño. Ain't gonna happen.

The wife saw a neighbor hosing leaves off the parking strip in front of her house.
I think she also has a Ben Carson campaign sticker on her car. OK, I made that up.
Carson is way too high-brow for her.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 16, 2015 - 11:21am PT
True for the snow, but there's still the rains to come...that is, if God-wills-it and the creek don't rise.

Or somethin' to that effect.

Nawmean?

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=4790
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 16, 2015 - 11:29am PT
Considering the drought situation, I remain perplexed over how people have responded in the LA area. We have cut our water use by about 25%, which is good. This is mostly in the realm of outdoor watering.

However, I am astonished to see how much grass remains planted all over the place, particularly in those "parkway strips" between the street and the sidewalk.....they seem to waste at least half of the water applied, to runoff. The potential, if we got rid of that excessive lawn, would be remarkable.

We really have the chance to do something remarkable for our state regarding water.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 16, 2015 - 11:46am PT
As seen on Shark Tank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTdDcj5UdLI
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 16, 2015 - 11:52am PT
Innovative solution with the Tree-T-Pee, although I thought it was going to be something different.

I'd be very interested in comparing outcomes, with a simple cone pile of compost applied to the base of the young tree.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 16, 2015 - 11:52am PT
Should counties and cities empty their jails of state prisoners to pay for the re-landscaping of public areas?

The inmates are plenty busy landscaping their own digs. Here's the prison Bernie Maddof landscapes.

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