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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
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Okay, fine. Say Trayvon was a white woman who was followed, attacked, and killed by an armed, unidentified, aggressive man. Would you disparage her for not running fast enough, far enough, or long enough? Say he was a white 17 year old honor roll student.... say he was anything but a black teen in a hoodie... oh, wait, then he never would have caught GZ's eye.
Gender has nothing to do with it. Male or female, under those circumstances running as fast, far, and as long as one can would seem wise.
I mean if TM really thought GZ was a "creepy ass cracker", why stick around? Put that asshat in your rear view mirror.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
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it is over, get over it
Florida governor Scott said yesterday he would not sign a new bill ending Stand Your Ground
and the beat goes on, no change
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
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It's unfortunate he made a foolish, and fatal, choice that night. Such are the risks of youth.
Zimmerman made the foolish and fatal choice. This is where your analysis fails.
But I suppose if Martin had shuffled his feet, rolled his eyes and mumbled something obsequious to Zimmerman, you peckerwoods would feel better about it.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:42pm PT
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Gary, so you think Trayvon's choice to stay and fight was wise?
He's dead.
They both made foolish choices.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:46pm PT
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meanwhile Obama throws some more fuel on teh fire....
Obama says 'Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago'
(Reuters) - President Barack Obama said on Friday that the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager shot dead in Florida last year, has raised questions about why young African-Americans experience racial profiling.
"You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35 years ago," Obama told reporters at the White House, in his first public remarks after the acquittal by a Florida court of Martin's shooter, George Zimmerman.
in direct conflict with what the jury said...that race was not an issue.
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Dr. Christ
Mountain climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:48pm PT
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I agree, at least in retrospect, he should have ran all the way home. And if I were a black teen in FL, I would now run any time anyone slowed down and/or made eye contact with me... cuz that's what the boss man seems to want.
But you can't tell me as a 17 year old in a gated community on the phone with some girl, your first inclination would have been to run home at the first sign of a creepy ass cracker following you. On the streets in downtown Rivercide... you bet your ass I ran plenty of times. When we were sk8ing and got jumped by jocks in Salt Lake City, yep, we ran.
But this wasn't downtown Rivercide, nor was it a bunch of rowdy high school kids looking for a fight. It was an overzealous wannabe cop as#@&%e who took the law into his own hands... who initiated a confrontation and killed an unarmed, innocent kid... and now walks free. That's the point.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/06/18/george-zimmerman-night-tour-retreat-twin-lakes
~2:30... proof Zimmerman is a lying sack of sh#t.
They both made foolish choices.
One was innocent and is now dead. The other a celebrated hero of many gun toting white conservative males. That's also the point.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2013 - 02:56pm PT
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of course the jury would say race was not an issue
if they did say it was, they would be admitting they broke the Court's order to decide without bias
lets see, all women jury, almost all white, nope, no racial bias there.....
sarcasm aside, the jury decided only one thing, that the state did not prove its case beyond reasonable doubt
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
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I hear what you are saying Wes. This is Wes isn't it? I don't know if I would have run in that situation either. I'm just pointing out not doing so was a bad decision.
And GZ? A hero? From my view he's probably guilty of manslaughter. Unfortunately the State of Florida wasn't able to prove that to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
Anyone characterizing GZ as a hero should just be ignored. Don't you do that with all of the right wing talk radio crap already? If not, why not? I don't get it.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
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lets see, all women jury, almost all white, nope, no racial bias there.....
sarcasm aside, the jury decided only one thing, that the state did not prove its case beyond reasonable doubt
so you ought to be butthurt over the legal system by letting some dude get away. i can buy into that argument. but all these asshats are missing the point.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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no hawkeye, I don't care about the verdict at all
advise someone else to be butthurt
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
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Stupidity is not a matter for the law until someone gets hurt.
Someone ended up dead. So both TM and GZ should be convicted of Class A Felony Stupidity in the court of public opinion.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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I agree Dropline. They both did something stupid. The difference is that Gz is a grown man while TM was just a teenager. We all did stupid things as teenagers, at least most of us did. But as an adult we are expected to be more responsible than teenagers.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Jul 19, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
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Chewy, I couldn't agree more.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jul 19, 2013 - 04:48pm PT
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And GZ? A hero? From my view he's probably guilty of manslaughter. Unfortunately the State of Florida wasn't able to prove that to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
Anyone characterizing GZ as a hero should just be ignored. Don't you do that with all of the right wing talk radio crap already? If not, why not? I don't get it.
Agreed. Still, I see no reason to blame the victim.
And Ron, the president is supposed to feel sorry for Zimmerman?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 04:53pm PT
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Now this isn't to say the african american community is naive, about the fact that african american young men are disproportionally involved in the criminal justice system, that they're disproportionally both victims and perpetrators of violence.
Yep, Obama is obviously biased.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 19, 2013 - 05:07pm PT
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yeah and they are "kicking around the idea of racial profiling" in the white house now.
how the fuk would YOU know what is being discussed at the White House, Ron?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Jul 19, 2013 - 05:09pm PT
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Here let me assist you "creepy assed Crackers find your next talking points.
Top 12 Conservative Freakouts After Obama’s Race Speech
By Scott Keyes on Jul 19, 2013 at 2:30 pm
(Credit: AP)
Conservatives didn’t even wait for President Obama to finish his deeply personal remarks on Trayvon Martin’s killing and the role of race in America to go ballistic, accusing the president of being a “Racist in Chief” who is “trying to tear our country apart.”
On Twitter, Fox News, and elsewhere, many conservatives took a predictably depressing response, arguing that Obama is the true racist for having the courage to speak about race in our country.
Here is a roundup of the top conservatives attacking the president’s speech:
Fox News’ Todd Starnes:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/19/2330191/conservative-freakout-race-speech/
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jul 19, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Ron wrote: uhhhh i rubbed my crystal ball Norton..
Which explains where all you half-ass comments come from.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Jul 19, 2013 - 05:12pm PT
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Anderson, you must have a link to such a quote, or are you making crap up again?
Sounds like he's calling for the end of racial profiling, not promoting it.
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