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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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CC: Read up on the causes of the Indian Rebellion ("Mutiny") of 1857, and report back. While you're at it, read up on the credibility of the Daily Mail as a news source. Ask yourself why they might be saying what they are, and whether there might be a linkage.
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corniss chopper
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breaking the speed of gravity
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MH - Sure. I know. Long ago in school. This story is a blatant propaganda
piece from our perspective but for our troopers it may bring a bit of levity to an otherwise dangerous job and on another level when the Arabic press
tells the story it'll be 'jihadi's sent to hell rather than heaven by
pig bullets.
Demoralizing the enemy is a Sun Tzu maxim. Worth a try.
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couchmaster
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May 10, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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HOLY SERIOUS UPDATE BATMAN. Seymour Hersh breaks the updated story that has differing elements all the way down the line. HO LI FUK! The plot thickens, too damned strange to not be true. What a freakin story. Wow.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden
Hersh short version:
Bin Laden had been under Pakistani intelligence house arrest since 2006. No weapons or guards were in the house ( I suspect he was wrong on this one), and Bin Laden was unarmed and gunned down like his wife said. The Seals didn't haul computers out of the place and it wasn't an "intelligence bonanza" like the President announced. High level Paki's participated, one outted Bin Laden (it wasn't the US dogging him like both the President and O Dark Thirty claim) received a good hunk of the 25 million, others pitched in later.
Bin Laden was a shot up mess. Parts of him were tossed out of the helo over Asscrackistan by seals, and the burial at sea was a made up lie that never occurred.
Our politicians lied? Who could have predicted that every happening. (Cue "It was Bushes fault" LOL)
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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May 10, 2015 - 09:20pm PT
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couchmaster: Your link didn't work for me, but he's dead.
Big fuking deal: how, & through what means he was outed.
He's dead.
What's up with the: why, how,& who?
Do you want to start another multi-thousand post conspiracy thread about this dead dirtbag?
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WBraun
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May 10, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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The link works and shows how the sheep can't use the internet.
Maybe just click CNN and you'll stay safe in your bullsh!t little world.
The lying govt murdered several of our boys to keep this lie going.
But all Fritz cares about is how much money he makes every year ....
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 10, 2015 - 09:26pm PT
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Werner? Sorry but your post doesn't show clearly.
All I see is:
QUACK-POT!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 10, 2015 - 10:30pm PT
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Seymour Hersh seems to be a little desperate to be grasping at straws. While the whole
affair does seem typically tawdry, as Fritz said, who really cares? The SEALS could have
beat him to death with a dead pig for all I care. And a 'proper' burial? Pffft...
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 11, 2015 - 01:11am PT
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couchmaster: Your link didn't work for me, but he's dead.
Big fuking deal: how, & through what means he was outed.
He's dead.
What's up with the: why, how,& who?
Do you want to start another multi-thousand post conspiracy thread about this dead dirtbag?
what do you mean 'who the hell cares?' I sure as f*#k do. The government lied. OK. F*#king smoking gun, as if there weren't enough of them already. There is a whole other thread going where everyone and his dog is beating up on Ron because he and his buddies don't believe our government has our best interests in mind. WELL big surprise there. They lie over and over and over and now the mainstream would have us think people are nuts for looking for their own explanations of events. That is to be expected and is totally predictable. The sad fact is (whether you want to believe a 40 story highrise can fall into a pile of dust in 9 seconds without the use of one ounce of explosives - or not), it is still quite predictable that the government will and has totally lost its credibility when they repeatedly lie and -at best- cover-up so blatantly. A government that doesn't have the trust of its citizens is or soon will be a failed government.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 11, 2015 - 06:23am PT
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It's not "our" government any longer, at least not at the federal level. Only the ritual sacrifice of voter cards into the Dibold machine keeps the sheep asleep.
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couchmaster
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May 11, 2015 - 06:39am PT
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What Mike says goes for me. I care about our country. Goggling "Operation Northwoods", where our government planned to murder innocent American civilians through a variety of ways (including blowing up an airplane of innocent US civilians) with planted BS, and then blame the Cuban Communists so as to justify an invasion, gave me pause to reconsider what I thought I knew. What is the truth then? All of the joint chiefs has signed off on the plan when it hit Kennedy's desk and he said "you idiots aren't killing women and children to start a war with Cuba".
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/northwoods.html
If you google wikipedia for the info, remember that the info you are reading, as harsh as Wiki is, has been vetted and revised to look less harsh by some of the 28,000 full time employees the pentagon hires to make the US look good in the news. Or as the Smoking Duck says: "What the Cluck?" I have a lot less blind faith in those who lead me than I use too when I learn of such things as Northwoods and 28,000 publicists posting comments online. I'm fine with someone telling me a lie if in so doing, there is a noble cause and by lieing there is less harm caused. I'm fine with lieing to our enemies. We do it all the time with military capabilities ie, News article that a new warship will travel X at topspeed whereas it's actually 20 knots over X. When I'm lied too by folks in power for their base reasons: moneygrubbing, personal insecurities, greed and power: I'm less understanding.
Michael Moore now wants cops disarmed as they have "too much power" over life and death over us. PFFT, I'd suggest to him that he looks at the rise of big, totalitarian government in our country if he want's to experience true fear.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 11, 2015 - 06:49am PT
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Maybe it's true...and maybe it isn't.
http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden
Hersh's story is amazing to read, alleging a vast American-Pakistani conspiracy to stage the raid and even to fake high-level diplomatic incidents as a sort of cover. But his allegations are largely supported only by two sources, neither of whom has direct knowledge of what happened, both of whom are retired, and one of whom is anonymous. The story is riven with internal contradictions and inconsistencies.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 11, 2015 - 07:32am PT
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The story is riven with internal contradictions and inconsistencies. Sort of like 'we shot him dead then threw his body into the ocean'. Ha... no internal inconsistencies there. Do people actually take this stuff at face value?
But what is really interesting to me is that some homegrown and seemingly sane Americans actually seem to prefer an all knowing and all powerful government to 'take care of this kind of stuff for us', leaving the citizens free to think on other simpler problems in life. Why get all bothered about what they are doing in the dark of the night?
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couchmaster
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May 11, 2015 - 07:38am PT
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^^^^ Bingo! ^^^^
And Survival, Bin Ladens wife corroborated the Hersh version of the shooting (ie, Bin Laden was unarmed and shot down) before they shut her up and came out with the other "official" versions of how it went down. I see Bergen doesn't mention that in his refutation. But hey, the Pentagon hires 29,000 people who's job it is to tell us what to think, so go with that. 29000 people can't all be wrong. Not with the kind of money we are being forced to pay them.
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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May 11, 2015 - 07:39am PT
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But what is really interesting to me is that some homegrown and seemingly sane Americans actually seem to prefer an all knowing and all powerful government to 'take care of this kind of stuff for us', leaving the citizens free to think on other simpler problems in life. Why get all bothered about what they are doing in the dark of the night?
^Werd!
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WBraun
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May 11, 2015 - 07:45am PT
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Seal team was murdered to keep the lie going and all these stupid brainwashed loons keep thinking the CIA boogyman bin laden (Tim Osman) was there in Pakistan.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2015 - 07:48am PT
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So all you liberal hand-wringing intel experts also probably think you're entitled to know the
names and home addresses of the SEALS who risked their lives for you, right?
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