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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 07:50pm PT
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When you study the bible, and get a sense of what heaven will be like, you quickly understand that this world in which we live, pales in comparison. That doesn't denigrate what we have here.
Actually, yes it does.
Reading comprehension test: When I say Quincy Quarries in Boston was a decent place to learn how to climb, but Indian Creek kicks its ass left right and center, which one am I saying is worse?
GO
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 07:55pm PT
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And Indian Creek actually exists; I don't have to take it on faith because I've been there--and back.
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 07:58pm PT
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What do the Crusades and Jihad have in common?
You don't even have to look to those extremes. Common, everyday fundamentalists in the US believe that we should encourage the coming of the apocalypse.
Look at it from another perspective: I just recently got married. I anticipate that this relationship with my wife will be my closest and last intimate relationship in my life. As such, I will fight hard to maintain it - I'll treat her well, and hold her to account, I'll cherish her and the relationship more than I would back when I was dating? Why? Because as far as I'm concerned, this is as good as it gets, and if I blow this, everything will suck for a good long while, at the very least. Whereas when I was dating, I always kind of knew that there would be another chance.
In the same way, the fact that I believe that this life is all I get, and this world is all we get makes me cherish it more than I would if it was just a "vale of tears" to pass through to get to something better.
GO
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:05pm PT
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Seek some help pal.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:19pm PT
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Go-"I quoted your parable by C.S. Lewis"
Not my parable!! First time I saw It was when I was scrolling up page and ran into your comment on it!
Go-"The parable (and you) suggest that compared to Heaven, the most beautiful and natural scene is like Hell"!!
Never suggested anything!!!
That was Cragmans post!
And I never read any such thing suggested in the bible or by Jesus either!
Actually, He is going to set His Kingdom up right here on earth when He returns for one thousand years!!
And this world has no resemblance of hell what so ever in my opinion!!
Jesus created it and I doubt if He had hell in mind when He did!!
I just wondered how Christians were going to make it worst because C.S. Lewis, a mere man, suggested something. He doesn't speak for me in the least!
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jstan
climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:19pm PT
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
Oct 22, 2009 - 04:58pm PT
What do the Crusades and Jihad have in common?
You don't even have to look to those extremes. Common, everyday fundamentalists in the US believe that we should encourage the coming of the apocalypse.
Look at it from another perspective: I just recently got married. I anticipate that this relationship with my wife will be my closest and last intimate relationship in my life. As such, I will fight hard to maintain it - I'll treat her well, and hold her to account, I'll cherish her and the relationship more than I would back when I was dating? Why? Because as far as I'm concerned, this is as good as it gets, and if I blow this, everything will suck for a good long while, at the very least. Whereas when I was dating, I always kind of knew that there would be another chance.
In the same way, the fact that I believe that this life is all I get, and this world is all we get makes me cherish it more than I would if it was just a "vale of tears" to pass through to get to something better.
GO
Cragman
Trad climber
June Lake, California
Oct 22, 2009 - 04:58pm PT
GOclimb,
Seek some help pal.
End of Excerpt
I have appreciated your advice GO. I'll try and return the favor.
IMO you have caught the ball right on the letters.
The United States of America is in serious trouble.
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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:21pm PT
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Maybe it's time for all to take a step back &/or a deep breath. While I appreciate everyone's participation in the discussion, perhaps posts calling others' belifs BS, or that Jesus is a dick, calling people who believe in God delusional, etc., may knott be pertinent to the topic or the proper way to proceed. How 'bout a little respect everyone?
Thanks,
Gene
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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:35pm PT
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Weschrist,
I surely don't know the "mind" of God, but I'd bet that those who agree with the Westboro Baptist Church (http://www.godhatesfags.com/); are not His representatives. I suppose anyone can call themselves whatever they want. I have nothing but disdain and pity for these folks.
Gene
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Brian Hench
Trad climber
Anaheim, CA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:39pm PT
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I have been really busy lately, and have just caught up with all the recent posts. A few pages back, Werner made some statements about evolution and simpler versus complex forms.
I'd like to comment on a popular misconception of evolution. Many believe that one of the necessary hallmarks of evolution is the constant progression from "lower" to "higher" forms. Evolution doesn't make value judgments as to which species are "better" or "more advanced". Only people make such judgments.
A given species is not necessarily better adapted when it evolves to grow a large brain. It might be less well adapted. After all big brains require more energy!
A given species is not necessarily better adapted by being more complex than its predecessor. There is nothing that prevents newer forms from being less complex and better adapted.
There are numerous examples of species that have changed very little over the eons, such as alligators and sharks. There are other examples of very rapid evolution. Humans are one such example.
Did you know that there were species of Homo that had bigger brains than Homo sapiens?
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Gene
Social climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:42pm PT
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Cragman is a better man than me. I find the Westboro crowd despicable. But Cragman is correct. I guess what bothers me most about these jokers is the glee they seem to exhibit with their hate. And maligning Christ by trying to hide under His banner. Hate sucks!
gene
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GOclimb
Trad climber
Boston, MA
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Oct 22, 2009 - 08:50pm PT
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777 - whoops, my mistake! Since you were responding I assumed it was you who had posted it in the first place. Glad to hear that you don't buy the "vale of tears" line that Werner and others buy into.
JStan and Wes - thanks!
Wanda wrote: And Indian Creek actually exists; I don't have to take it on faith because I've been there--and back.
And it being part of this world/lifetime is pretty sweet, I gotta say.
GO
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:02pm PT
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Hahahahaha LOL
Ho Man ......?
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:03pm PT
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Dr-F " There was no direct intervention, otherwise it would be on TV, as the first ever intervention by God ever witnessed by modern man ever..."
Since the way God intervened in my life when I was 8yrs old has not been on the boob toob it doesn't qualify as an intervention?
I think you can do much better than that Dr.F
Dr.F- "Why would God want people to worship Jesus"
Because Jesus is God!
F- "Why would God tell Christians to start wars against Muslims?"
Have you heard the saying "turn your other cheek"? "Love your neighbor"? "Treat others as you would like to be treated..."
Haven't seen the one about starting a war against Muslims...
F- "Why would God tell Muslims to kill Christians"?
That is the Koran!! They don't worship Jesus as God!! They believe Jesus was simply a prophet, a mere man!!
The Muslim god is referred to as Allah!!
Keep asking these question Doc. There very good ones, same ones my father would ask me!!
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
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TripL7 -- "Because Jesus is God!"
Jesus is Not God, never God
Son of God. Servant
Everyone is part parcel of God, everyone, and everything, in the whole entire cosmic manifestation, both physical & spiritual.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:15pm PT
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Two men are standing at the North Pole after a long and arduous trek, peering at the windwhipped, barren expanse. One man is an agnostic explorer, the other is a faithful pilgrim.
As the agnostic looks out on the sobering view, he's happy he pushed himself to attain this "meaningless" goal, and he values more than ever this earth, and his life in its more hospitable environs.
The pilgrim looks out on the same view, and says, "I came all this way; where the hell is Santa's Village?"
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:18pm PT
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Maybe the fossils aren't god's trick or test.
Maybe religion is god's test.
You may find heaven being run by the agnostics and atheists. Maybe god doesn't want people gullible enough to fall for that stuff loungin' around in her heaven.
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:23pm PT
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Maybe ...
Maybe ...
Maybe ...
Maybe you'll have faith that you'll be right.
Maybe you'll start a religion to save the world.
Maybe you'll just have another drink and come up with another maybe.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago'
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:28pm PT
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Gene!
I fully agree. Westboro Baptist church is totally EVIL!!!!
So much HATE!!!! It is really sad!!!
The abortion clinic bombers and Dr. killers also!!! Sad...Sad...Sad!
Just think if your son or daughter was gay, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of others anywhere how will they ever be reached after viewing that?
SAD.....SAD....SAD.....SAD......SAD.............SAD...............SAD!!!!!!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:40pm PT
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I'm with Huck Finn when it comes to heaven--lookin' at all the folks that think they're gettin' in, I don't think I would enjoy it all that much.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Oct 22, 2009 - 09:45pm PT
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That's just plain mean.
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