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WBraun
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You folks are doing some great detective work.
"The phone was turned off"
In order for a phone to be really turned off it has to be actually powered off or battery removed not just the lid closed or wait for the screen to go off.
You'll know when your phone is really actually off by having to power it back up manually and you'll see it reboot into it's operating system.
Normally a phone just goes to sleep and wakes every so many milliseconds without the screen turning on to check for a a call.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Wb, read the previous posts or call Verizon.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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WBraun
"The phone was turned off"
In order for a phone to be really turned off it has to be actually powered off or battery removed not just the lid closed or wait for the screen to go off.
I believe we are all saying the same thing............the phone was off as in completely off short of taking the battery out.
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WBraun
climber
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I don't need Verizon and I read the posts.
I was explaining how a phone actually works.
Some do not actually understand the difference between actual off and on regarding a digital phone.
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WBraun
climber
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OK ..... so you are 100% sure he powered it completely off?
Thanks ......
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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WB, considering he was camping, with no way to charge his phone, to conserve battery...yes we are 100% sure. We also compared texts sent from his friends to when he received them as explained in previous post and again confirm, text sent to him show up later ( once his phone is on). -Ron
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WBraun
climber
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Yes .... I assumed the same.
Thanks again.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Just curious Is the fire currently effecting air quality in the area? - Ron
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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The wind is blowing and it seems like the smoke is thinking about moving back down to mammoth sorta like the local forecaster predicted....
Oh joy:( We are leaving to head up shortly. Guess I better bring an extra inhaler:(
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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I ask because if I remember correctly there was a fire when Matt when missing. The conditions were similar where smoke filled the area. -Ron
Be safe split.
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SplitPants
Social climber
LA
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Ron,
Yes I remember that fire. I heard the smoke was really bad in Mammoth.
Thanks we will :)
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CyDuke
climber
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Have to side with Cragman here about assault/murder scenario. Seems unlikely a random attack would occur in a campground in the middle of the night without motive. Yes, there are psychos in this world and it could happen, but what's the motive? Doesn't seem like Matt carried a whole lot of cash since he used his credit card for most purchases. Nothing but backpack with boots, crampons, ice ax is missing. His credit card was not used elsewhere. Unless he made an enemy out there, which seems very unlikely, I don't think he was the victim of assault in the campground. A ride with someone shady, now this is more possible. Still I think unlikely.
Phone coming on at that hour is definitely out of character and could be quite significant. But, I think if he turned on his phone because he was in some sort of trouble, why would he have shut the phone back off? Any calls later in the day of the 17th (and subsequent calls) were not "delivered," indicating his phone was off. Possible phone went dead, but if he was at the library that day, he probably put a pretty good charge on the phone and was careful about turning it on and off to save battery. So, if he were in trouble, why turn the phone back off?
Something I haven't seen on here (and I may have missed it) is did Matt use an alarm to wake up? Being a teacher, having to get up early, he may have maintained his school schedule and woke up each day on his own accord, by his own internal clock. But, if an alarm clock of some sort was with his belongings, wonder if the last alarm time was set just before 3am?
Seems to me finding a ride at that hour of the morning is unlikely unless the ride was going to also be his hiking partner for the day, which seems obviously unlikely since no one has came forward and reported either being with him or an accident on the hike. I believe where ever Matt went, he went alone, on foot.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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need your opinion - would it be of any value to send up ed in the helo with a pair of immage stabalizing binoculars?
`Ron
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Thanks thats what i thought.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Cragman
Well said. ^^^^^
I've been re-thinking (again) Matt's likely objectives.
Consider what we know:
---Matt had boots, crampons and ice axe.
Ergo he clearly intended some at least moderately difficult snow travel.
---Matt had climbed the Rock Route on one of the North ribs on Clyde. We don't know which route he descended.
---Matt had climbed Riegelhuth Minaret.
ergo: Matt had very good views down on the terrain of all the southern Minarets.
---Matt planned to pick up his car and leave the next day.
I (and many others) have been guessing Matt would have had a major objective, for Matt a big day.
Let's suppose a moment Matt had a lesser objective in mind.
From South Notch (axe and crampons recommended), Matt could have the following moderate 4th class objectives:
Southwest side of Ken Minaret (on north side of South Notch)
NW side of Kehrlein Minaret (on south side of South Notch)
Or a short distance further south the NW slopes of Starr Minaret.
All of these routes are 4th class
Another, more difficult but reasonable objective:
Ken/Clyde Couloir, between Clyde on the north and Ken Minarets. 4th class. This narrow east facing couloir almost certainly contained snow and ice and is directly above Cecile Lake.
There's a 4th class rib from near the top of this couloir to the summit of Ken Minaret
Or from the top of the couloir, the west ridge of Clyde can be reached and followed to the summits of EITHER Eichorn or Clyde.
The Ken/Clyde couloir is sometimes used for descent from Clyde/Eichorn
Matt could have seen all these objectives and routes from the summit of Clyde.
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granite_girl
Trad climber
Oakland
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Re: The Ken/Clyde couloir.
We used that as our descent route from Clyde on Labor Day weekend. The couloir had no snow or ice at all. We saw no signs of Matt. We did descend in the dark, so we didn't have the best visibility, but it's not a very wide couloir, so I'd say it's unlikely that we would have missed him completely. Without snow or ice, and with at least one mandatory rap, the couloir would be an unlikely choice to climb up. It's definitely more of a descent route, and really only useful for someone topping out on Clyde and camping at Lake Cecile.
I'd say it's unlikely that Matt would have brought ice axe and boots for an attempt on the Ken/Clyde couloir.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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granite_girl
great up to date report on the Ken/Clyde couloir conditions. Thanks!
We should add Ken/Clyde couloir to list of searched routes.
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tdg119
Social climber
Northampton, PA
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Mguzzy - here is a summary Tiffany put together. she is working on adding more detail. ~ron
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