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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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May 13, 2011 - 03:15pm PT
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It was dark, and he ducked fast, he reached into his robe, maybe he was sporting a woody, maybe it was just a walking stick, he's crafty and has been know to carry a derringer...
Who knows. I wasn't there. You weren't there.
That reminds me of a joke.
OBL and a Navy Seal walk into a bar.
OBL gets two shots on the house.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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May 13, 2011 - 04:08pm PT
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No cover up required - simply a desire to avoid the extended domestic and international political nightmare that would surely follow and international calls by other nations who also had citizens killed in 9/11 that he be tried in the Hague.
So try him in the Hague! he's guilty right? Life in prison would be much greater punishment for him than death, which he was welcoming.
We are a moral country and we should always hold ourselves to the highest standards, however if you harm us and declare war on us we will fight back. Every time. Until the stated goal has been achieved. No more, no less.
This is patriotic fairytale talk No country declared war on us. A small private group of terrorists did and their "leader" spelled out his goals: to lead us to invade muslim countries and bankrupt us through our wasted efforts. Bin Laden left with a "Mission Accomplished" sign on his head because we reactively do just what they want us to
peace
karl
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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May 13, 2011 - 05:15pm PT
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This country was built on patriotic fairytale talk. I'm a pragmatist as much as anything, but that doesn't mean I don't have ideals. My point was that up until now all of the fighting overseas has been all too lack luster in its results, and in its goals. Here are absolute results. Personally I'm waiting for the speech that says we got what we came for, time to close up shop, to end the financial burden. Either that or state some concrete goals. This long term nation building hearts and minds thing is for the peace corps, not the marines.
As for prison, there's no prison on earth that would have erased his existence in the minds of militants fighting to impress him and carry on his work. He can not bestow blessings, serve as a lighting rod, be the aim of any extortion, or escape the bond of the hell he is in now. He didn't get what he deserved, but the world is better for where he is.
You are right that his goals were achieved. Now we just need to prove to ourselves that his goals were misjudged from the beginning. We're not so deep that we can't survive, but it is a harder road to travel.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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May 13, 2011 - 05:28pm PT
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Bin Laden is standing before God waiting to hear his punishment..... just
then God gets a tap on the shoulder.
Behind him stands 343 firemen, 72 police officers, one k9 officer, nearly 3,000 American citizens & over 5,000 soldiers.
One of them says, "Take a break God, we got this one".
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 13, 2011 - 05:44pm PT
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Fatty
Could he have Porno, maybe, maybe not? Would he have been watching Dr. Phil or Jerry Springer, Judge Judy, World Wrestling Federation, who knows but I am sure National Enquirer’ers would want to know. Romour a few years back [20] they [CIA] owned part [“Dummy” Corp.] or had a lot of $$$$$ invested in the tabloid and would not doubt it.
“Black Propaganda” in this case “GREY”
The Pentagon, the CIA and the State Department are involved in deception and disinformation “as in playing games”: distorted brand of historical revisionism. They rewrite history to suit the present purposes of our/other governments. In this case making OBL not a hero and not following the way of Islam. What better way to discredit the guy? Throw in some Playboy magazines, McDonald Hamburgers and fries, coke and champagne. Opium I can see so would not doubt that one but for the others not sure. We are still at war.
Propaganda units mandate is to counteract anti-Americanism abroad.
Some info:
Fear and Disinformation Campaign (FDI) rests with the CIA, which secretly subsidizes authors, journalists and media critics, through a web of private foundations and CIA sponsored front organizations. The CIA also influences the scope and direction of many Hollywood productions. Since 9/11, one third of Hollywood productions are war movies. "Hollywood stars and scriptwriters are rushing to bolster the new message of patriotism, conferring with the CIA and brainstorming with the military about possible real-life terrorist attacks." "The Sum of All Fears" directed by Phil Alden Robinson, which depicts the scenario of a nuclear war, received the endorsement and support of both the Pentagon and the CIA.
Disinformation is routinely "planted" by CIA operatives in the newsroom of major dailies, magazines and TV channels. Outside public relations firms are often used to create "fake stories" Carefully documented by Chaim Kupferberg in relation to the events of September 11: "A relatively few well-connected correspondents provide the scoops, that get the coverage in the relatively few mainstream news sources, where the parameters of debate are set and the "official reality" is consecrated for the bottom feeders in the news chain."
Covert disinformation initiatives under CIA auspices are also funnelled through various intelligence proxies in other countries. Since 9/11, they have resulted in the day-to-day dissemination of false information concerning alleged "terrorist attacks". In virtually all of the reported cases (Britain, France, Indonesia, India, Philippines, etc.) the « alleged terrorist groups» are said to have «links to Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda», without of course acknowledging the fact (amply documented by intelligence reports and official documents) that Al Qaeda is a creation of CIA.
Fatty: Mossad has five departments, one being “psychological warfare, propaganda, and dis-information” “Where no counsel is, the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety" Proverbs XI is their slogan you should know that. Klimmer is too stupid but looking over his previous posts could be on the payroll.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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May 13, 2011 - 08:45pm PT
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Could be he encrypted messages in photos Fatty. He would have used this software or similar.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 13, 2011 - 10:32pm PT
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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May 16, 2011 - 05:41pm PT
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Quiet Crowley, you're banned.
LOL!
look at it this way fattrad, at least coot is (at the present time) a kindler gentler ALICE...LOL.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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May 18, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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Only if we waterboard the intel interpreters.
Otherwise how will we know they get it right.
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BG
Trad climber
JTree & Idyllwild
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May 18, 2011 - 02:31pm PT
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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May 24, 2011 - 01:19am PT
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He was part of the plan dude
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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May 24, 2011 - 01:27am PT
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Bin Laden was ASSASSINATED.
That is what you call it when a political leader is killed for his leadership.
Bin Laden was reported to be unarmed. So he was murdered. He COULD have been brought to trial, but was killed instead. WHY?
Roxjox, why should anyone pay any attention to your rant, when there have been answers to this question that you have asked before, but to which you have not responded? It seems like you want to hold one-way conversations with yourself.
So, I guess I'll let you do that.
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nature
climber
WTF?
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May 24, 2011 - 01:39pm PT
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bin laden was knott a political leader.
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Gene
climber
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May 24, 2011 - 01:42pm PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 25, 2011 - 06:11pm PT
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^^^^^
Hilarious!
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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May 27, 2011 - 03:19pm PT
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So as to keep all the criminals in one place, and not create an unneeded thread...
Serbia arrested Ratko Mladic a day or two ago. Mladic committed horrifying crimes against humanity (i.e. genocide) during the wars in Bosnia-Herzegovina during the 1990s, such as the siege of Sarajevo and the murder of about 8,000 boys and men at Srebrenica. Between 200,000 and 250,000 were killed by ethnic Serb forces under his command, and many more raped or injured. Most of his victims were Bosnian Muslims and Croats. (Not to say that the Croats and Bosnians were entirely innocent, especially in Croatia's war, but they had a lot fewer weapons.)
Mladic was indicted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia. The European Union recently and explicitly made his surrender a precondition of possible Serb membership in the EU. He is a popular figure in Serbia, and it seems likely his whereabouts have mostly been known to the government and military.
He joins Radovan Karadjic, arrested in 2008 and on trial at the Hague, and former Serb leader Slobodan Milosevic, who died while on trial a few years ago.
The disaster in the Balkans led to a more assertive approach by the UN and NATO forces in the late 1990s and onward, in terms of protecting threatened civilians.
Mladic, Milosevic, Karadjic and their henchmen were criminals on a world scale. Let's hope that some of those accomplices are also arrested and tried.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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May 27, 2011 - 05:10pm PT
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I don't know if it's right that the UN, NATO, etc have become more involved in policing the depredations of more voracious states and the nastier dictators. There's no doubt that they have, though.
I agree that they're rather selective, and individual member states usually look to their own self-interest as a starting point. The failure to "do something useful" about Zimbabwe, Sudan (pending) and elsewhere in Africa in particular is not heartening, although both Britain and France have intervened selectively in former colonies. But an imperfect world, maybe it's a starting point - if other dictators see that the UN and/or NATO may intervene, and that they may eventually have to answer to a international court, it may over time change behaviours.
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