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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2014 - 08:52am PT
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My point about the ad hom was that you entered the conversation by being an assh0le.
Simply, I was following your lead--read your own posts to see a real as#@&%e.
Your attempt to justify your lie show your true colors Sketch. You lied, plain and simple. You didn't quote the full headline because it proves you are doing nothing but prancing for a fight. Then you play the victim when you get called on it.
Pack it up.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2014 - 09:08am PT
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I'm correct. The headline doesn't clarify whether it's the hottest month or hottest May.
Sketch, pop quiz. What is the subject of this headline:
Record heat: Month of May is hottest on Earth
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 26, 2014 - 09:47am PT
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Key point... sketch's beef isn't with climate science. His beef is with you people, specifically. Its personal.
Certainly he makes it quite personal, and has from the start (with his early sh#t- and genital-themed name calling, for example), but Sketch's beef seems to be very much against climate science as well. Much of his "content" consists of copy/pastes that were fed to him by the anti-science website WUWT. He coyly hides this dependency by omitting or laundering his links.
Just sayin... (the obvious)
Not obvious at all. Sketch's posts here are heavy with sneering quips, tone trolling, and talking points or copy/pastes from sources that suit his politics.
I've read enough of sketch's ideas on climate science to understand his POV. He seems quite middle of the road, from where I sit.
Using WUWT as a main source for "science" is no more middle-of-the-road than Ron Anderson citing a John Birch Society newsletter. There actually are many good sources about the real science, by real scientists, but that ain't one of them.
I've read very little that seemed to be Sketch's own ideas about climate science. When pressed he tends to hide behind snarky one-liners, answer questions with questions, or repeat blog talking points without comprehension (the "curve fitting" and "consensus" pronouncements come to mind). If there's evidence that Sketch can think for himself, beyond these tricks, it's been hidden.
I guess I could end this rant on a more positive note and invite Sketch to try again. A page or two back I graphed surface temperature trends for each month of the year, and said they show a clear pattern.
Rick couldn't write a coherent paragraph about this but perhaps Sketch can -- either by agreeing with or explicitly refuting the central point of my statement, as case may be. Rather than dribble on for pages about whether a headline that said "May" was clear enough that it referred to the month of May.
Or was this pyramid just more tone trolling?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 26, 2014 - 10:15am PT
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a passive-aggressive assh0le.
self-righteous hypocrisy.
childish dishonesty
a condescending assh0le
4 for 4 at the bottom of your own pyramid, Sketch.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 26, 2014 - 10:22am PT
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Key point... sketch's beef isn't with climate science. His beef is with you people, specifically. Its personal.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 26, 2014 - 10:43am PT
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Boo hoo hoo, sketch.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 26, 2014 - 11:43am PT
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Obviously, we've experienced warming over the last 100 years. Just eyeballing the charts, it looks like we experienced warming from 1910 to 1945 and from 1975 to the turn of the century.
How much of the first warming period was due to anthropogenic forcings?
The graphs show only surface temperatures (NOAA version) of course, and we don't have nearly so much data to resolve what was going on in the early 20th century. Recent work I've seen concludes that the 1920 to 1940 rise in surface temperatures, well documented and especially pronounced at high northern latitudes, reflects some combination of effects from internal variability and forcing by solar irradiance, volcanic activity, and the modest greenhouse gas buildup. For example,
Several climate models accurately simulate the global warming of the late 20th century when the radiative effects of increasing levels of human-induced greenhouse gases (GHG) and sulfate aerosols are taken into account. However, the warming in the early part of the century has not been well simulated using these two climate forcings alone. Factors which could contribute to the early 20th century warming include increasing greenhouse gas concentrations, changing solar irradiance and volcanic aerosols, and internal variability of the coupled ocean-atmosphere system. The relative importance of each of these factors is not well known.
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One of the integrations (Experiment 3, reproduced in the lower panel of Figure 1) shows a remarkable similarity to the observed record, including the amplitude and timing of the warming in the early twentieth century. Since the model includes no forcing from interdecadal variations of volcanic emissions or solar irradiance, this suggests that the observed early 20th century warming could have resulted from a combination of human-induced increases of atmospheric GHG and sulfate aerosols, along with internal variability of the ocean-atmosphere system.
http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/early-20th-century-global-warming
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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Jun 26, 2014 - 11:50am PT
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Perception is reality and its costing the climate scam machine big
revenue. They can't find the right scare tactic to convince us
that the end is near. Typical of morons unable to optimize their message.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jun 26, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
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Sounds like there's still a lot of uncertainty about the causes of the earlier warming period.
Yes, there's a lot more information to work from as we get closer to the present.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 26, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
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Dave did you ever graduate from clown school?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
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... 'He did it first' is not a valid excuse.
... But that won't happen because this is tango not a solo.
Points taken Dingus.
@Sketch. A headline is not a sentence, hence there's rarely a predicate involved. However, after reading a bit of the article, it is clear to me that it is referring to "the month of May being the hottest month of May."
I have to ask, was this not obvious to you? And, it seem to me your argument zeros in on a very petty war of words. You are slitting hairs, and making a big ta-do about basically nothing.
But we get your jist--you are concerned with the way the media reports on climate change. I'm not able to statistically verify or deny that the new record smashed the old one, but in this case I will agree with you that the word "smashes" seems to overblow the event. Even though, as was said, any heat record being broken is an extreme event.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2014 - 04:57pm PT
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Sketch, I'm not going to go tit-for-tat with you. You drone on endlessly.
One fact: I was the first to break the May weather story, and that headline was clear.
For me, so is the one that you're bitching about.
Petty? You mean there's no difference between the hottest May ever and the hottest month ever?
No, petty in that you are trying to make an event out of a non-event. Read the story--it is clear that they are saying that May '14 was the hottest May on record. Period. You can "split hairs" to conjure up a reason that it's not clear, but the fact it, it is pretty damn clear.
And yet again:
Simply, I was following your lead--read your own posts to see a real as#@&%e.
What were you talking about?
I am talking about your constant need to insult others.
Do you want me to quote examples of your posts? Here:
I can always count on you to swoop in with your self-righteous posturing and condescension...
Yet, you feel compelled to post up your ignorant commentary.
There are more, but I grow tired of itemizing your insults.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 26, 2014 - 06:40pm PT
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You've not answered either.
Oh. My. God.
You do go on ad nauseam, don't you.
Sketch, I answered both of your questions.
I quoted the headline that states the subject is "Month of May":
Record heat: Month of May is hottest on Earth
What is the hottest on Earth?? Well, I'd say it's the Month of May. The subject of the headline. That is it, my answer. Sorry it's not good enough for you. But I'm even more sorry for you that you don't understand the simple headline.
Does anybody else on this thread have a questions as to what the article is talking about?? Or is it just Sketch stirring up a petty non-story.
"I'm following your lead" on insulting others. Many times, without them provoking you. Like the insult you laid into Chiloe. He was sincere, you insulted him in response.
I can find quotes of yours where you call me "dumbass" after I've given you a thoughtful and sincere reply. No, I am not going to waste my time going back looking up the specific references. You go ahead and do your own research there. But likely, we won't have to wait long for you to issue another unjustified insult, just for the sake of being...Sketch.
Now answer my question:
What the hell is wrong with you? Seriously.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 27, 2014 - 05:05am PT
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Go sketchy go...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 27, 2014 - 07:34am PT
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sketch, it is disingenuous to take on the role of provocateur and then complain that your are unfairly treated by those provoked.
it is a now very tiresome act, but if not an act, a really odd personality trait. I can't imagine you could be that way in real life. you might consider the effect of being anonymous and why you feel the need for anonymity, perhaps it is refreshingly liberating to you? allowing you to shed any responsibility for your positions and actions and shedding the veneer of civility that you find oppressing in your non-web life?
or maybe you're just the obnoxious neighborhood tire biter
anyway, it's tiring, maybe you could evolve a new schtick instead of chasing the old one.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2014 - 08:01am PT
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Same old K-man. You show up being being an assh0le, making BS claims.
This is how Sketch responds when he's cornered.
Remember Sktech's golden rule: And no matter what, don't ever admit it.
No, don't admit you're wrong, or lie. Just double down and attack.
Sketch, you say the "Month of May" article didn't accurately convey what record was broken. You say:
How do we know it's not saying May was the hottest month ever?
Please show us where in the article you found it confusing as to what was being discussed, considering that the subject of the article is "Month of May."
Nope, you can't do it. But what you will do is insult me for pointing it out.
Pack it up.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2014 - 08:08am PT
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Here's what Sketch is so butthurt over:
I like how they don't clarify that the record is for the month of May.
 Sketch
I don't know where you're looking Sketch (up your a*# maybe?), but I see them stating "May" in the headlines of the articles I've read.
Then the bellyaching begins. Now it's
[you] began with your unjustified insult.
I don't know. I think the insult was pretty justified.
Prove me wrong Sktech, show us where the article is confusing to you, considering that the subject of the headline is "Month of May."
Can't do it, can you.
You begin with an unjustified cheap shot, then jump on others when they call you on it. What a guy.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2014 - 08:15am PT
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Nice dodge.
Actually, obvious dodge.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 27, 2014 - 08:36am PT
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So sketch is an idiot & an ass.
That was obvious ages ago.
No, Sketch is no idiot. Far from it actually.
Sketch is a pro at rhetoric. And often he brings good points to discussions.
But he is an ass. And that's why I've taken to calling him on it. I'm tired of his form of pollution on the forum. It's bitter and it causes a diversion that throws decent discussion down a rabbit hole.
Sketch is no idiot, but he is insincere, he lies and distorts, and he's not a big enough of a person to admit it.
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